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Mecca 01-25-2009 05:32 PM

He still has horrendous mechanics and no ability to play in a normal offense...30% is being generous when you look at the failure rate of spread QB's in the NFL.

FringeNC 01-25-2009 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5426105)
He still has horrendous mechanics and no ability to play in a normal offense...30% is being generous when you look at the failure rate of spread QB's in the NFL.

I wouldn't say he has horrible mechanics. He has very inconsistent mechanics, and if that isn't fixed, yeah, he'll never be consistently accurate enough.

Cheeze529 01-25-2009 07:02 PM

Tyler Thigpen has great athletic ability, a strong arm, 24 years old, bad mechanics granted. His mechanics can be fixed with given time, and has three full seasons with KC under his belt while still very young. He may not pan out, but he is worth the risk because of his 'boom' potential. Steve Young, who is somewhat similar to Thigpen athletically, had a horrific first year starting with the Bucs (8 touchdowns, 13 interceptions, 2200 yards) when he was 25 years old, and his career turned out fine. Granted Young had a better pedigree than Thigpen, but the potential is there, I would let Thigpen have an off-season where he is the starter the whole way through, and see what develops, this off-season draft another need and build the team, if Thigpen does not pan out, then you'll have a high draft pick (Bradford, McCoy...) and have a better team for them to thrive in, and hopefully if/when Thigpen pans out then you'll have your quarterback.

BigMeatballDave 01-25-2009 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheeze529 (Post 5426255)
Tyler Thigpen has great athletic ability, a strong arm, 24 years old, bad mechanics granted. His mechanics can be fixed with given time, and has three full seasons with KC under his belt while still very young. He may not pan out, but he is worth the risk because of his 'boom' potential. Steve Young, who is somewhat similar to Thigpen athletically, had a horrific first year starting with the Bucs (8 touchdowns, 13 interceptions, 2200 yards) when he was 25 years old, and his career turned out fine. Granted Young had a better pedigree than Thigpen, but the potential is there, I would let Thigpen have an off-season where he is the starter the whole way through, and see what develops, this off-season draft another need and build the team, if Thigpen does not pan out, then you'll have a high draft pick (Bradford, McCoy...) and have a better team for them to thrive in, and hopefully if/when Thigpen pans out then you'll have your quarterback.

I'm sick of reading stupid shit like this. Learn something about football, then post again, n00B.

beach tribe 01-25-2009 07:17 PM

I love Thigpen. I think he should start the season as the #1 (Unless he just get beaten in camp), and let us see how the O-line is playing. If he plays really well, it will give more time to our future QB to sit, and learn, and also may give us some trade option regarding him. At the very least, he would have gained experience, and would provide us with an excellen #2 QB. Win Win. Here's to you Mr. 7th rnd, skull fuqing, crazy legged QB.

Cheeze529 01-25-2009 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 5426270)
I'm sick of reading stupid shit like this. Learn a something about football, then post again, n00B.

From the tone of your voice, I would assume the only thing you read IS stupid shit like "Derrrr...let's draft a quarterback who has no pro-experience, who is most likely going to be a bust, who is going to hold out, and who is going to ask for money up the ass."

chiefzilla1501 01-25-2009 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 5426270)
I'm sick of reading stupid shit like this. Learn a something about football, then post again, n00B.

What stupid shit? It's better than those who think that a man's career should be determined in half a season? He was right on target, except that I disagree that we wait one year on a QB.

BigMeatballDave 01-25-2009 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5426292)
I love Thigpen. I think he should start the season as the #1 (Unless he just get beaten in camp), and let us see how the O-line is playing. If he plays really well, it will give more time to our future QB to sit, and learn, and also may give us some trade option regarding him. At the very least, he would have gained experience, and would provide us with an excellen #2 QB. Win Win. Here's to you Mr. 7th rnd, skull fuqing, crazy legged QB.

If we draft Stafford or Sanchez, no way does he beat them out. Their mechanics are far superior. Plus, they can play from under center.

BigMeatballDave 01-25-2009 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheeze529 (Post 5426300)
From the tone of your voice, I would assume the only thing you read IS stupid shit like "Derrrr...let's draft a quarterback who has no pro-experience, who is most likely going to be a bust, who is going to hold out, and who is going to ask for money up the ass."

If you don't take chances, you keep getting the same shit we saw on the field this past season.

Cheeze529 01-25-2009 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 5426307)
If you don't take chances, you keep getting the same shit we saw on the field this past season.

Agreed, just differ on where the chance should be taken this off-season

BigMeatballDave 01-25-2009 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5426303)
What stupid shit? It's better than those who think that a man's career should be determined in half a season? He was right on target, except that I disagree that we wait one year on a QB.

Thig lucked into that starting role. His mechanics are shit, he's not worth it. Should he be given a chance to compete in TC? Absolutely.

blueballs 01-25-2009 07:26 PM

Which one got the hotter wife
Tyler's dating models yet

BigMeatballDave 01-25-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheeze529 (Post 5426308)
Agreed, just differ on where the chance should be taken this off-season

Thig isn't gonna get much better.

Crush 01-25-2009 07:28 PM

**** Thigpen

chiefzilla1501 01-25-2009 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 5426309)
Thig lucked into that starting role. His mechanics are shit, he's not worth it. Should he be given a chance to compete in TC? Absolutely.

Why does it matter how he got the starting job? Shouldn't it only matter how he performed and what the Chiefs think he is capable of? Why not just cut every 5th, 6th, and 7th round pick on the roster while we're at it.

Thigpen performed decent but he has a lot of holes in his game. He still has upside. Nobody knows how high that ceiling is. A few years ago, a guy named Eli Manning was playing horribly in his rookie season. What did he do? He hired a fundamentals coach to teach him mechanics and he went on to win the Super Bowl soon after. Not saying that Thigpen is Eli Manning, but the point is that the aspects of his game where Thigpen struggles are all coachable. He has a lot of intangibles: decent arm strength, athletic ability, good head on his shoulder, leadership, and seemingly decent smarts that are uncoachable.

I'd like to see what happens if you make an effort to fix those mechanical problems and see how far his upside goes. The great thing about bringing in a new coach and a new GM is that they will both give him a shot to do just that, but neither of them will guarantee that he keeps a starting job all season. But enough with this nonsense that he should be taken completely out of the picture entirely because he wasn't perfect in his first 8 starts or because of his draft status.


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