Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 5449431)

So wouldn't you want to evaluate the level of coaching he's been given? If it wasn't very good coaching, you have to assume what he did, he did on natural talent, no? If his coaching sucked, would he have much more potential with good coaching and technique?

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5449791)

It's not like G-Tech is some no name D3 program. They had a quality coaching staff while he was there.

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 5450212)

I'm not defending him, I have no opinion on him. More of a question really. You say he had better than D3 coaching, but so did the Chiefs D-line. I don't see where that makes any argument that his position coaching was any good.

I personally think it'd ALWAYS be a good idea to evaluate a players coaching when dealing with guys like M.J., who may have under achieved. I think this is a good way to go about finding 2nd round guys who wind up being top of their class. Find out whether his coaching sucked, he is uncoachable, or has maxed out his potential. Does that not sound right?

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5450310)

Sure it sounds right, but Johnson didn't even start until his senior year. Did poor coaching only hurt him and not the other defensive linemen, despite the fact they have less talent? Did poor coaching make him skip out on the Senior Bowl when he could have received NFL-level coaching?

Also, I'm not a big believer in poor coaching being the reason KC's d-line has not produced. I'd say that has more to do with poor scouting and not getting the best guys for your system.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5482851)

http://nick8.surfernetwork.com/Media...Draft12909.mp3

Lots of Stafford talk, and even addressing the fear of taking a QB.

And then the next week..

http://nick8.surfernetwork.com/Media.../Draft2509.mp3

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5482972)

thanks, these are really good....

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5482978)

How long are they?

I have to leave for class soon.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5483019)

an hour, i think....perfect for me as i'm tied to a computer at work....they go over everyone in detail....

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5483025)

Damn.

I'll have to listen this afternoon, though I'm pretty sure what he's going to say regarding the QB's.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5484967)

One of my favorite parts is when he just starts ripping the QB's, after the 1st 3 guys all of the QB's are terrible.

So this idea of getting one late is pretty flawed.