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Dave Lane 02-02-2009 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5450961)
They tried to give the Steelers a TD AGAIN! Just like in SB XL!! I mean, if it's that close, you don't give the score, and then you let the review work it out (like they did on the non-safety call during the play before the penalty-safety). Also, does anyone know if a QB has to have possession of the ball to make a forward pass? I've heard differing arguments, but if a QB can "throw" the ball just by pushing it forward, then that last play would have been an incomplete pass.
It sure looked in real time like he got in, and actually I didn't see enough to overturn the ruling on the field and in a regular season game it would have stood. The other he lost control of the ball before attempting to bring his arm forward. You have to have control of the football as you bring your arm forward for it to not be a fumble.

BigCatDaddy 02-02-2009 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lex Luthor (Post 5450955)
What forward pass?

Oh, you mean the play where the ball was knocked out of his hand and landed at his feet, well before his arm started going forward?
You might be right, but it needed to be reviewed at a minimum. If I'm Whisenhunt(sp), I throwing the red flag out there just to stop the game and let someone know they need to be doing their job(even though I know I can't challenge it).

Buck 02-02-2009 12:33 PM
Having the whole Hochuli controversy here in SD this year, that rule was beaten to death.

Pretty much if the arm is moving forward, and possession is lost, even unintentionally, its an incomplete pass.

In Cutlers case, his arm was not moving forward, so it should have been a fumble.

Even if warner lost control of the ball for a second, he regained it and then lost it again while his arm was moving forward, should have been incomplete, IMO.

SAUTO 02-02-2009 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5450997)
You might be right, but it needed to be reviewed at a minimum. If I'm Whisenhunt(sp), I throwing the red flag out there just to stop the game and let someone know they need to be doing their job(even though I know I can't challenge it).
delay of game penalty and the game's over anyway

EyePod 02-02-2009 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5450995)
I don't think it was an issue, but if anyone should be bitching about calls, it should be Pittsburgh.

It sure looked like the ball hit the ground on Fitzgerald's first TD, and the holding call in the EZ was reeruned.

Notice who made the call?

The Umpire, who from where he was standing couldn't possibly have seen holding - he only could have assumed it.

Had that flag come from the Referee, who had a PERFECT view of the play, I could understand the call.
He grabbed onto the defender and fell backwards. If that's not holding, then I don't know what is. I think he could easily see the guy on the ground, bear-hugging the defender.

bowener 02-02-2009 12:34 PM
Not saying it did, but I found this on the net, so I am just going to leave this here....

http://www.steelers12thman.com/steeler7lp.jpg

blueballs 02-02-2009 12:35 PM
off topic
did Holmes get a Caddy

EyePod 02-02-2009 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding (Post 5451003)
Having the whole Hochuli controversy here in SD this year, that rule was beaten to death.

Pretty much if the arm is moving forward, and possession is lost, even unintentionally, its an incomplete pass.

In Cutlers case, his arm was not moving forward, so it should have been a fumble.

Even if warner lost control of the ball for a second, he regained it and then lost it again while his arm was moving forward, should have been incomplete, IMO.
I don't think he ever got control back. I think he cocked back, the ball was hit, started spinning, and then he pushed the ball forward without getting possession again.

BigCatDaddy 02-02-2009 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5451004)
delay of game penalty and the game's over anyway
Interesting, I didn't know that.


I remember Gun tossing that thing out there for all kinds of crazy crap that couldn't be challenged.

bowener 02-02-2009 12:37 PM
What I think should be discussed is if Larry Fitz should have taken a knee at the one when he broke off the 60 yarder to take the lead. Not saying he should know that, but had it come to mind... I honestly would not have trusted the O at the 1 for the game winning TD though... we saw how that went at halftime....

DaFace 02-02-2009 12:37 PM
Na, I think the better team won in the end. Pittsburg got a lot of calls their way early, the Cards got a lot their way late. All-in-all, I think the team that deserved to win did.

Even though I was rooting for the Cards.

SAUTO 02-02-2009 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5451023)
Interesting, I didn't know that.


I remember Gun tossing that thing out there for all kinds of crazy crap that couldn't be challenged.
in the last 2 min. i'm pretty sure thats the call. you cant challenge, offensive penalty stops the game 10 second run off, i could be wrong though

Buck 02-02-2009 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5451015)
I don't think he ever got control back. I think he cocked back, the ball was hit, started spinning, and then he pushed the ball forward without getting possession again.
Perhaps.

To me it looked like Woodley pinned the ball to the palm of Warner's hand right before it popped out. Not sure if thats defined as possession or not.

Either way, on this topic, what are the chances that Arizona completes a 60 yard Hail Mary anyways...

The biggest one was the Roughing the Passer call.

EyePod 02-02-2009 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 5451024)
What I think should be discussed is if Larry Fitz should have taken a knee at the one when he broke off the 60 yarder to take the lead. Not saying he should know that, but had it come to mind... I honestly would not have trusted the O at the 1 for the game winning TD though... we saw how that went at halftime....
That's a tough call. And at that point, I don't think you can do it. Your defense was playing well in the 2nd half.

BigCatDaddy 02-02-2009 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5451009)
He grabbed onto the defender and fell backwards. If that's not holding, then I don't know what is. I think he could easily see the guy on the ground, bear-hugging the defender.
Wow, if you don't think it was holding you need to take the homer glasses off dude


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