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DrRyan 02-06-2009 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5465416)
That's nice and all but I'm not going to change my view of a guy due to Mike Mayocks mock draft, he thinks Aaron Curry is the greatest LB prospect ever, it's joke.
I think that is a little skewed to help your argument saying Maycock thinks Curry is the greatest LB prospect ever. I have not once heard that. It is pretty obvious he is everyone's #1 LB in this years draft. Also, I am not suggesting anything ridiculous like trying to trade down, or not taking the BPA at #3. Just think it is a bit funny that anyone who disagrees with your(not only you Mecca, many others) idea of what to do in the draft should be "shot in the head" because they are stupid. Get real, opinions are like....you get the picture, everyone has one, some better than others but none of them is correct. No one here is a GM. I will defer to Pioli, he is more qualified than anyone here.

Mecca 02-06-2009 07:47 PM
When you have a LB as a top 3 player on your board you think he is one of the greatest OLB prospects that ever lived...the last LB to go that high was a decade ago.

DrRyan 02-06-2009 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5465722)
When you have a LB as a top 3 player on your board you think he is one of the greatest OLB prospects that ever lived...the last LB to go that high was a decade ago.
So ranking a LB as a top 3 player means you think he is one of the greatest OLB prospects ever. Not sure how you connect those dots, but ok, guess that is what it means. Does ranking an OL or WR in the top three mean that they are one of the greatest prospect ever too? I don't follow your rationale. To me, it would mean that he his the third best prospect in this draft.

Mecca 02-06-2009 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 5465776)
So ranking a LB as a top 3 player means you think he is one of the greatest OLB prospects ever. Not sure how you connect those dots, but ok, guess that is what it means. Does ranking an OL or WR in the top three mean that they are one of the greatest prospect ever too? I don't follow your rationale. To me, it would mean that he his the third best prospect in this draft.
Are you trying to get on my nerves or do you really not understand?

LB is a devalued position it is not as important as say LT or QB or DE or CB something like that..

Putting a non pass rushing LB in your top 3 would be like putting a TE in your top 3, to say a guy is that good that means you think he's one of the best prospects ever.

Got it? Or do I have to go into an explanation of positional value.

DrRyan 02-06-2009 08:12 PM
I would disagree with you completely. I would not call Ray Lewis a pass rushing LB, but he would obviously be a top 3 worthy pick from what we know now. Not saying Curry is anything like Ray Lewis, but you are making it completely black and white. Any position(aside from I suppose TE, C or G) could merit a top 3 pick. Saying a LT, QB or pass rusher are the only positions that could merit a top three pick, I cannot agree with you there.

Mecca 02-06-2009 08:15 PM
Then you don't understand how the draft works.

DrRyan 02-06-2009 08:24 PM
Nope, I understand. I just disagree with you. Are you suggesting that knowing what you know about Ray Lewis now, he would not be worthy of a top three selection? Saying certain positions are the end all be all only options to draft in the top three is just ridiculous. I am not saying going QB at three is wrong, I am however saying only allowing yourself to draft certain positions in the top three does is not how it works. AJ Hawk(non pass rushing LB)Cedric Benson, Caddy Williams and Sean Taylor in the top 5 goes against the grain of your only certain positions theory.

All I am saying if you do not have to draft position "x" in the top 3 or top 5. Let's just agree to disagree.

Mecca 02-06-2009 08:26 PM
I think the occasional safety can slip into the top 5...I would have no issue taking Taylor Mays that high.

But I would never in a million years take a RB or a non rush LB in the top 5, guys like Lewis are a good example of why it's not needed. To many productive LB's are found at the bottom of the 1st and out of the 1st round.

It's basically overkilling a position by overdrafting it.

DrRyan 02-06-2009 10:06 PM
Taylor Mays....he doesn't play for USC does he? :D

Skyy God 02-07-2009 03:01 PM
I had no idea Stafford is the proud owner of a 56% career completion percentage. Tyler Thigpen thinks that's a terrible stat.

philfree 02-07-2009 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pittsie (Post 5467360)
I had no idea Stafford is the proud owner of a 56% career completion percentage. Tyler Thigpen thinks that's a terrible stat.

Here's some stats on Stafford from Stats inc. Stafford did complete over 60% of his passes this past year. I think that qualifies him as a legit prospect.


[Finished 6-2 as a true freshman starter in 2006. Started 34 games in three seasons at Georgia. As a junior in 2008, completed 61.4-percent of his throws for 3,459 yards with 25 TDs and 10 INTs. Finished career completing 57.1-percent of his attempts for 7,731 yards with 51 TDs and 33 INTs.]


PhilFree:arrow:

Danman 02-07-2009 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5465062)
I know you guys are laughing but I wouldn't be surprised to see him pass Sanchez in the draft. He has the raw tools, maybe they conclude the obvious and those coaching him at KSU didn't know their head from their ass. I'm seeing a Flaccoesk type rise for him, and a Rogers-Quinn fall for the Dirty One.
Sorry, I just can't see this happening. Freeman may turn out to be decent, but right now he's lacking a lot of polish.

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 5465574)
Just an observation about QBs...If a QB is good enough to draft anywhere in the first round, he is good enough to draft at any point in the first round in which he is the highest QB left on your board.

For the sake of argument, let's say that Stafford goes number 1. If the Chiefs would be willing to take Sanchez if they had the 20th pick, they should take him with the #3 pick. Either he's your franchise QB, and he's worth more than any other player in the draft, or he's a bust. If you don't think he's a potential franchise QB, you don't take him at all. If you think he has a legitimate shot at being THE guy, you take him regardless of your spot.

If the Chiefs draft him at 3 and he pans out, it's a great pick. If the Cardinals draft him at 31 and he flops, it's a blown pick. The Chiefs won't wish that they had traded down if Sanchez makes it big, and the Cardinals wouldn't be celebrating about not picking him earlier if he flops.
Good post Big Cat. For the most part I agree with that. Each year is different, but you've made a good point.

Saul Good 02-08-2009 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 5465843)
Nope, I understand. I just disagree with you. Are you suggesting that knowing what you know about Ray Lewis now, he would not be worthy of a top three selection? Saying certain positions are the end all be all only options to draft in the top three is just ridiculous. I am not saying going QB at three is wrong, I am however saying only allowing yourself to draft certain positions in the top three does is not how it works. AJ Hawk(non pass rushing LB)Cedric Benson, Caddy Williams and Sean Taylor in the top 5 goes against the grain of your only certain positions theory.

All I am saying if you do not have to draft position "x" in the top 3 or top 5. Let's just agree to disagree.
I would say that the examples you gave prove Mecca's point. If you were somehow able to know that Curry was going to be as good as or better than Ray Lewis, you would take him top three. That would make him the single best linebacker prospect in history. Anything less would be a reach.

AJ Hawk, Cedric Benson, Sean Taylor, and Cadillac Williams were drafted top 5. Taking Taylor out of the equation, if those teams could have a do over, do you think that any of them would even consider drafting any of those players again?

DrRyan 02-09-2009 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 5469646)
I would say that the examples you gave prove Mecca's point. If you were somehow able to know that Curry was going to be as good as or better than Ray Lewis, you would take him top three. That would make him the single best linebacker prospect in history. Anything less would be a reach.

AJ Hawk, Cedric Benson, Sean Taylor, and Cadillac Williams were drafted top 5. Taking Taylor out of the equation, if those teams could have a do over, do you think that any of them would even consider drafting any of those players again?
I doubt they take them again, but as you know, hindsight is 20/20. There are tons of players every team could look back on and would not draft again if they had the chance, so it really is irrelevant if they would take them again or not. The disagreement I had with Mecca's argument is that only positions x, y and z that are draft-able in the top three or top five. I think any position aside from TE, and probably G or C could and do get taken that early. Saying that only certain positions are able to be drafted at certain points of the draft is a much too black and white way of looking at things. IF, you feel the BPA is not one of those positions, you still take him. I agree, you take the best player available at #3. Just not yet convinced one way or the other that that player is Sanchez.

Basileus777 02-09-2009 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5465855)
I think the occasional safety can slip into the top 5...I would have no issue taking Taylor Mays that high.

But I would never in a million years take a RB or a non rush LB in the top 5, guys like Lewis are a good example of why it's not needed. To many productive LB's are found at the bottom of the 1st and out of the 1st round.

It's basically overkilling a position by overdrafting it.
I agree with you in general, but if you're seriously arguing that you would take Mays in the top 5, but not Ray Lewis, you are taking it way too far. Taking a MLB in the top 5 is rarely (almost neer) worth it, but for someone like Lewis it certainly is, especially since in this hypothetical we have the benefit of hindsight. Safeties shouldn't be taken the high anyway, Mays at 5 is a reach.


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