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milkman 02-08-2009 07:15 PM

The conclusion I can draw from this is that people are scared shitless to draft a QB.

Mecca 02-08-2009 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5470215)
The conclusion I can draw from this is that people are scared shitless to draft a QB.

Pretty much, I think as the draft gets closer we'll see the serious fear start to come out.

DaneMcCloud 02-08-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5470115)
So, I guess you would be happy with any of those players at #3 then. Is that what you're saying?

Thanks for speaking for me. :rolleyes:

I'm saying that four decent picks were made along with two epic busts at QB.

Clear enough for you, Doomy?

doomy3 02-08-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5470215)
The conclusion I can draw from this is that people are scared shitless to draft a QB.



How do you draw that conclusion from those picks?

doomy3 02-08-2009 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5470226)
Thanks for speaking for me. :rolleyes:

I'm saying that four decent picks were made along with two epic busts at QB.

Clear enough for you, Doomy?

Yep, that's what I wanted to know.

I would imagine that out of those 6 picks, that only one or two of them would anyone consider a decent pick at #3. I don't know how anyone could consider Young, Harrington, Schuler or Smith anywhere near good enough for that slot. THey would all be busts.

And this may be the first time ever I have EVER heard Harrington referred to as an average NFL QB.

milkman 02-08-2009 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5470227)
How do you draw that conclusion from those picks?

It's being used to support the "I'm not sold on a QB" draft selection.

AustinChief 02-08-2009 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5470215)
The conclusion I can draw from this is that people are scared shitless to draft a QB.

Nice, can you step off your blanket statements for a sec and read what I wrote?

I am scared of THESE two QBs, I wanted Flacco and Henne last year. I am definitely not against drafting a QB... but junior QBs don't have a great track record... And if you look at the list, QBs at the #3 spot don't either... McNair is the one good QB out of 6.

To be honest I wasn't a big Matt Ryan fan last year, and he will probably work out well.. If it comes to Stafford or Sanchez.. I would take the one with higher upside (Sanchez) but as I said, neither excites me nor have they all season.

So, because I don't like those two players.. I am afraid of drafting a QB?

Mecca 02-08-2009 07:24 PM

If you liked Chad Henne more than these 2 guys I'm going to honestly ask you what the hell you were looking at.

NickAthanFan 02-08-2009 07:24 PM

You can't be a great team without a great QB. That's why we should pick Graham Harrell in the 7th round or so. LMAO

doomy3 02-08-2009 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 5470243)
Nice, can you step off your blanket statements for a sec and read what I wrote?

I am scared of THESE two QBs, I wanted Flacco and Henne last year. I am definitely not against drafting a QB... but junior QBs don't have a great track record... And if you look at the list, QBs at the #3 spot don't either... McNair is the one good QB out of 6.

To be honest I wasn't a big Matt Ryan fan last year, and he will probably work out well.. If it comes to Stafford or Sanchez.. I would take the one with higher upside (Sanchez) but as I said, neither excites me nor have they all season.

So, because I don't like those two players.. I am afraid of drafting a QB?


Obviously.

Mecca 02-08-2009 07:27 PM

I think it's funny that Austin liked the 2 QB's I didn't like at all.

milkman 02-08-2009 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 5470243)
Nice, can you step off your blanket statements for a sec and read what I wrote?

I am scared of THESE two QBs, I wanted Flacco and Henne last year. I am definitely not against drafting a QB... but junior QBs don't have a great track record... And if you look at the list, QBs at the #3 spot don't either... McNair is the one good QB out of 6.

To be honest I wasn't a big Matt Ryan fan last year, and he will probably work out well.. If it comes to Stafford or Sanchez.. I would take the one with higher upside (Sanchez) but as I said, neither excites me nor have they all season.

So, because I don't like those two players.. I am afraid of drafting a QB?

You are right, it is a blanket statement.

However, if you look at that, one could conclude that if you don't simply throw a QB into the fire immediately, and give him some time to sit and learn, you could allow him to develop into an MVP calibre QB, since the only one of those QBs that really turned into anything was given time to develop.

But then Matt Ryan could debunk that theory.

The fact is, it really is impossible to draw any conclusions from this.

What has happened with QBs selected in the past has no bearing on how these guys will turn out.

doomy3 02-08-2009 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5470262)
I think it's funny that Austin liked the 2 QB's I didn't like at all.

I don't think it's that funny at all. There are a lot of people on this board. Of course there are going to be a lot of opinions.

AustinChief 02-08-2009 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5470239)
It's being used to support the "I'm not sold on a QB" draft selection.

Notice my statement THESE QBs, which you conveniently read as A QB.

And to respond to Mecca, I wanted Flacco a late 1st or Henne with a 2nd... I honestly feel that Sanchez is gonna either be a great pick or a bust at #3... I am leaning toward bust... but if we pick him I hope I am wrong. Stafford I can't stand... just never liked him.

but either way, they bear the curse of the junior QB... hard to overcome.

Again, if Sanchez stayed in school and had another great year and we sucked enough to be able to draft him I would have been elated... as it is, not so much.

DaneMcCloud 02-08-2009 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5470233)
Yep, that's what I wanted to know.

I would imagine that out of those 6 picks, that only one or two of them would anyone consider a decent pick at #3. I don't know how anyone could consider Young, Harrington, Schuler or Smith anywhere near good enough for that slot. THey would all be busts.

And this may be the first time ever I have EVER heard Harrington referred to as an average NFL QB.

Harrington is not a bust. He played for a shitty team for years. Actually, the worst team in the entire NFL. He's received poor coaching and bounced around but he's still playing and he's still under 30. There's certainly room for him to improve and find his way as an NFL QB. You could have put Rivers, Manning or Rothlisberger on that Lions teams and they would still suck.

I thought Vince Young was taken too high but the owner was enamored with his size, mobility and arm. Before his mental breakdown, he proved me wrong. I think it's way to early to label him a bust, unless he retires from football with mental issues.

Smith sucked. Major reach. Schuler was a joke but the Redskins at least made up with that selection by choosing Gus Ferrote in the 7th.

These comparisons have absolutely ZERO impact on the success or failure of Sanchez or Stafford so basically, this was an exercise in futility.


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