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If you think Roethlisberger is a middle of the road QB, that's all I need to know about how you value the position.
Yep QB had nothing to do with it, losing 23-20 with less than 3 minutes to go, any old pile of shit QB could engineer that drive and make those plays including one of the finest throws ever thrown in a bowl. |
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Nevermind that Roethlisberger is not remotely average, but lets not factor that in so the dream that the 90s Chiefs team and teams built that way can or could of won bowls! |
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You are. You keep talking about 1 throw, saying stats mean nothing. You'll have to do better than that. |
Shitty QB's win 2 superbowls in 4 years..they also routinely lead game winning drives in the 4th quarter..
If you watched the Steelers at all for any period of time you'd know that Roethlisberger is a huge huge factor into why that team wins. He is the definition of a clutch player. He is their franchise, nearly all of their other players are interchangeable, like their LB's as they cycle through and put different guys in there and get production... But lets overlook that and give credit to the defense, I'm sure it was them that lead those drives. |
I like Ben. I think he's a good QB. But he's not the #1 reason for the Steelers succsess. That's my contention.
I'm not saying Thigpen is better either. Just saying Ben isn't what I would consider a great QB. And the numbers bear that out. However, he does often make something out of nothing. The last drive in the SB was great, no doubt. |
You aren't going to win anything with a QB and nothing else...you have to be good on both sides of the ball.
The Steelers were the 90's Chiefs till they finally got a legit QB, makes some sense huh? |
The Steelers only ask Big Ben to do enough to win games. No more. No Less.
Is he ever going to break any of Marino's or Favre's records? Probably not. But how may SB did Marino win? How many did Favre Win? Saying that Rothlisberger isn't that good because of stats is kind of dumbassery and blind homerism if you are comparing Thigpen to him. Could Thiggy have won more games if we had a Defense like Blitzbergs? I am certain of it. But to think he can clutch win games is an uncertain cause he hasn't show he can do it. Ben has. Keep doubting Big Ben as he will no doubt take the "Berg" to yet another SB in the next 5 years if I was a betting man. BTW this is IMO. ;) |
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Never said he wasn't legit, or that he was shitty. I said he wasn't great, and he's not. I will argue however that you cant just throw any semblance of players together and have the #1 defense in the NFL. Are you saying Ben would have been in and won the SB with a middle of the road defense this season? |
The Steelers have consistently had a top notch defense while cycling in new players at a pretty high rate and consistently walking away from other players...
Their defense is as much system and coaching as it is players. |
I like Tyler, but this is getting silly. Tyler does not have the accuracy right now to compare to these other guys. Love the mobility and IF he could improve his accuracy and drops from under center he'd be dangerous, but that is a huge IF. It is a big enough concern to not pass on a QB with our top 3 pick. Big Ben is a great QB and probably could put up big stats if they decided to throw the ball more. But, he is not asked to do that, so his numbers aren't as good. The defense helps, but it keeps his numbers in check because of the way they play.
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Okay. Are you saying they're not the best in the league? What's your point? I thought you were one of the self proclaimed geniuses on this board. But your negotiating skills, and reading comprehension are poor. |
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Got it. |
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