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teedubya 02-10-2009 07:31 AM

I doubt that Pioli takes a QB with #3, regardless.

philfree 02-10-2009 08:47 AM

IMO the Chiefs are in a good position. If they can't get a QB at #3 then they get to pick the best player available with that pick. How could this be considered bad? And don't tell me it's about money and contracts because the Chiefs are gonna end up with about $50mil of cap space and Clarke has the money if he chooses to spend it.


PhilFree:arrow:

Danman 02-10-2009 04:33 PM

That is a tough call. Hope some team has a woody for Crabtree and wants to trade up in front of Seattle. Barring that probably Brown or Crabtree even though I consider each a reach. We can't just wait till the 6th or 7th pick to turn our name in because the players agent will still demand #3 money since we had that pick and the NFL would probably side with the player.

Mecca 02-10-2009 04:37 PM

If you have to take a player in that spot you take Jenkins.

milkman 02-10-2009 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5475346)
IMO the Chiefs are in a good position. If they can't get a QB at #3 then they get to pick the best player available with that pick. How could this be considered bad? And don't tell me it's about money and contracts because the Chiefs are gonna end up with about $50mil of cap space and Clarke has the money if he chooses to spend it.


PhilFree:arrow:

It's a bad position to be in because the players left if both Sanchez and Stafford are gone are bad value picks, no matter who we select.

Mecca 02-10-2009 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5477790)
It's a bad position to be in because the players left if both Sanchez and Stafford are gone are bad value picks, no matter who we select.

Don't tell the anti QB crowd this, if they both got picked those people would start jumping for joy.

philfree 02-10-2009 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5477790)
It's a bad position to be in because the players left if both Sanchez and Stafford are gone are bad value picks, no matter who we select.

Value compared to what? I mean in the end what a team wants is to get the best/right players. Right? I'd prefer Stafford with the third pick and sands the lack of starts I'd be excited about Sanchez. If they're both off the board and we get to pick the best player in the draft besides those two QBs then I still see a very positive situation. Really if those two are both off the board we'll be in the position to make the ultimate value pick.


PhilFree:arrow:

Sam Hall 02-10-2009 09:45 PM

I think we have a high enough pick that it wouldn't be a nightmare. We will get a difference-maker no matter what.

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5477939)
Value compared to what? I mean in the end what a team wants is to get the best/right players. Right? I'd prefer Stafford with the third pick and sands the lack of starts I'd be excited about Sanchez. If they're both off the board and we get to pick the best player in the draft besides those two QBs then I still see a very positive situation. Really if those two are both off the board we'll be in the position to make the ultimate value pick.


PhilFree:arrow:

Because no one else represents a value to US after the QB's.

The 3 OT's are the only other players worthy of that pick, but only at LT. We have out LT, and you don't take a RT that high in the draft.

Crabtree is way to slow (and is proving it by avoiding running at the combine) to justify that pick. He's nowhere near the elite talent Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson or Fitzgerald were coming out.

It's bad value to take a LB that high, unless they project to be the next DT or LT. Curry is a coverbacker, and as much as I like Maualuga in the middle, it's way to high to take him.

That leaves us with Michael Jenkins at CB as the only true VALUE at our pick should both the QB's be gone.

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5477969)
I think we have a high enough pick that it wouldn't be a nightmare. We will get a difference-maker no matter what.

Getting a difference maker and getting value for your pick are two different things.

I'd say AJ Hawk has been a difference maker for the Packers, but I'd also say he hasn't played to the level you expect a Top 5 pick to play.

philfree 02-10-2009 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477981)
Because no one else represents a value to US after the QB's.

The 3 OT's are the only other players worthy of that pick, but only at LT. We have out LT, and you don't take a RT that high in the draft.

Crabtree is way to slow (and is proving it by avoiding running at the combine) to justify that pick. He's nowhere near the elite talent Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson or Fitzgerald were coming out.

It's bad value to take a LB that high, unless they project to be the next DT or LT. Curry is a coverbacker, and as much as I like Maualuga in the middle, it's way to high to take him.

That leaves us with Michael Jenkins at CB as the only true VALUE at our pick should both the QB's be gone.

I know everything in your post. And I understand it. End the end however we are gonna have the 3rd pick in the draft a very good player will be available. That is not a bad situation.

I think every draft site I've seen as Curry ranked above Jenkins.

I bet Pioli makes the best out of it no matter what happens.


PhilFree:arrow:

philfree 02-10-2009 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477989)
Getting a difference maker and getting value for your pick are two different things.

I'd say AJ Hawk has been a difference maker for the Packers, but I'd also say he hasn't played to the level you expect a Top 5 pick to play.

So what if you get value for your pick and then that pick busts? That does happen.

PhilFree:arrow:

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5478015)
So what if you get value for your pick and then that pick busts? That does happen.

PhilFree:arrow:

Them's the breaks. Happens to even good GM's.

Scott Pioli picked Lawrence Maroney. Hasn't worked out. You move on.

cdcox 02-10-2009 10:23 PM

I'd draft Andre Smith and trade him for a franchise QB.





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StcChief 02-10-2009 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 5474233)
Could we just purposely hold our card until the 6th or 8th pick, and then draft a player? It sounds stupid, and is, but if there is NOBODY you would take at #3 and do not want to pay for them, it is the only way to slide down the board and avoid $30 million guaranteed bonuses.

the Vikings oops. clock runs out for an hour. ROFL what would NFL do.


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