Future members of Congress or Hedge Fund Managers/Wall Street Financiers.

Hell, if these kids are taught how to take advantage of loopholes and screw over things like honor and respect, they'll end up with 11 million dollar end of year bonuses, a Ferrari and a Gulfstream IV.

There's a big difference between innovation and evolution of the game and getting butthurt because you can't cheat. A-11 changes the entire aspect of the game to the point that it's not traditional football anymore. This isn't some little rule change enacted for the safety of the game. If it were so innovative, then why has it been analyzed and flat out rejected by all established football organizations?

Go get innovative on your tax return and see how much the IRS commends you on your breakthrough adaptations...

ya know, the funny thing is that, at one point, the forward pass was as 'out of left field' as the A-11 offense. where would we be without the forward pass?

If you do it properly, they don't do a damn thing. Oh it changes the aspect of the game. Who cares? If there are kids in it who aren't getting a shot at colleges as a result of playing in it, they'll either transfer or they weren't good enough athletes to make it at the next level anyway.

Nice. Other people exploit loopholes, so why not teach these kids to do so. The world is full of dickhole cheaters, so why not teach these kids the practice early on so they'll get rich someday cheating other cheaters out of millions.

Bunch of greedy cheating pricks who think it's OK because somebody somewhere got away with it.

A LOOPHOLE IS NOT CHEATING!!!! PERIOD!!!


And you know what, if they're gonna be people like that, they're not gonna be swung one way or the other by a fricking offense they ran in high school. You are so wrong on this issue it's not even close.

So you're comparing the evolution of the forward pass to the A-11 offense? Seriously?

The forward pass has always been part of the game. It wasn't used as much in the beginning, but it was still an integrated part of the game. There were never any rules in place prohibiting the forward pass. Compare your analogy for a second here....

The A-11 formation was illegal at one time. Then an exception was created specifically for scrimmage kicks, and only at the high school level. Not to allow for an offensive formation like A-11, but to allow different formations specifically for scrimmage kicks. And still the only way it was allowed is if the players on the field were wearing numbers normally reserved for receivers(an accepted football practice on it's own). In order to take advantage of A-11, teams have to give all the players jersey numbers reserved for receivers when they aren't really receivers, and they have to line up in a scrimmage kick formation, when they're not doing a scrimmage kick.

The forward pass has always been legal. It required no exceptions to be added before you could forward pass. A forward pass has always been intended for offensive formations. A forward pass is not dependent on specific jersey numbers.

Do you see any difference in innovation such as the forward pass, and BS like A-11?

What they both had in common was excessively conservative morons trying to convince us they were bad ideas.

"The way it was intended" is a complete straw man. The way football was originally intended was basically rugby. Then, some coach exploited a "loophole" in the rules by telling his team to execute a forward pass.

That argument is a bunch of revisionist history.

holy hand grenades, we are getting bent out of shape about high school football.....the end is near.

No... there's just nothing else to do. There are only so many Grey's Anatomy re-runs to watch on the internet, you know...

i wonder if thigpen could run this...

Actually, I was being facetious. And yes, using a loophole is cheating. A loophole is finding a way through a set of rules and regulations by circumventing the original purpose of those rules and regulations by taking a document or bill or law or whathaveyou to the extreme literal sense and do something that said document was trying to prevent by making sure that you've worked around the wording of the document to do something/achieve a result - a result that the original document, law, bill, regulation, etc. meant to block, prevent, etc.

It's why there are so many cocksucking, dickhead lawyers out there and why there are so many greedy, cocksucking, dickhead people in power employing those cocksucking lawyers. They are trying to get around laws and such in order to elevate themselves, either statuswise, monetarily or the like. A loophole is a cheat. It's a underhanded, scummy find a way around the law cheat. Classic case would be the Enron loophole that allowed afterhours, unregulated trading of commoditites and the like, and is directly responsible for the giant shit stain that is our current economic situation.

Personally, I don't know what the problem is with this A-11 thing though. I'd just put 11 guys in the box on defense and blitz every single time. After the fifth quarterback was sitting on the side line in a puddle of his own urine and blood, they'd probably start keeping a few guys back for protection purposes.

Your only validation for the A-11 is "It's not cheating it's a loophole. Other people take advantage of loopholes."

Well, you're a fool. It's been ruled illegal on all levels of football except the high school level. And the majority of state high schools have already made it illegal, or are trying to do so, as evidenced by this very article.

This quote makes it very clear:And like they said, if you want to make a new game in a new league that allows for ridiculous formations like A-11, then go create your own league and play away. But it's not football.

Absolutely. Lamar Hunt innovated in this manner. The A-11 folks can do the same.