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wazu 03-01-2009 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5545465)
No 7th round QB has won a Super Bowl.
So? Tom Brady was a 6th round pick, and has been to four and won three. And he replaced a #1 overall pick.

Cassel never started in college, but clearly had raw talent to be competing for the USC job. He ended up riding the pine behind a Heisman trophy winner. Would you rather have Lienart as our QB?

Mr. Kotter 03-01-2009 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chop (Post 5545393)
I've been on the fence about Cassel. I hope he works out but I'm not sold on him being as good as some are suggesting. The thing that makes me feel better is the fact that
1. Bill B. thought enough of him to franchise him.
2. Pioli thought enough of Cassel to trade for him.
3. If the stories are correct, McDaniels was also high on him.

These are the guys that would have seen his strengths and his weaknesses on a daily basis and would know if he was actually good. If these guys believe in Cassel than I guess I'll lean towards positive rather than negatives.
Perfect analysis of the situation, AFAICS.

Brock 03-01-2009 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5545402)
Other than Brady being drafted by the Pats, who has ever traded a 1st day pick for a 7th round QB and won a championship?

Anyone?
Who has ever traded a 1st day pick for a 7th round QB?

KcMizzou 03-01-2009 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chop (Post 5545393)
I've been on the fence about Cassel. I hope he works out but I'm not sold on him being as good as some are suggesting. The thing that makes me feel better is the fact that
1. Bill B. thought enough of him to franchise him.
2. Pioli thought enough of Cassel to trade for him.
3. If the stories are correct, McDaniels was also high on him.

These are the guys that would have seen his strengths and his weaknesses on a daily basis and would know if he was actually good. If these guys believe in Cassel than I guess I'll lean towards positive rather than negatives.
That's the thing. Those three guys saw him in practice every day.

They saw more than the average Joe, or even the average scout.

If McDaniels wanted him that bad... bad enough to dump Cutler, there's a reason for it.

Our guy won.

Reerun_KC 03-01-2009 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5545538)
Who has ever traded a 1st day pick for a 7th round QB?
:shrug:

luv 03-01-2009 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by chop (Post 5545393)
I've been on the fence about Cassel. I hope he works out but I'm not sold on him being as good as some are suggesting. The thing that makes me feel better is the fact that
1. Bill B. thought enough of him to franchise him.
2. Pioli thought enough of Cassel to trade for him.
3. If the stories are correct, McDaniels was also high on him.

These are the guys that would have seen his strengths and his weaknesses on a daily basis and would know if he was actually good. If these guys believe in Cassel than I guess I'll lean towards positive rather than negatives.
I don't know. We're so used to having a running game, and Cassel was used to having several excellent receivers. Besides TG, and a butterfinger Bowe, who will he have to throw to?

MadMax 03-01-2009 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5545538)
Who has ever traded a 1st day pick for a 7th round QB?


Only Jesus Pioli as far as I know. :eek:ROFL

KcMizzou 03-01-2009 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by luv (Post 5545550)
I don't know. We're so used to having a running game, and Cassel was used to having several excellent receivers. Besides TG, and a butterfinger Bowe, who will he have to throw to?
Bowe's droppsies are a bit overstated.

Bowe's gonna be just fine.... count on that.

Johnny Vegas 03-01-2009 10:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chop (Post 5545393)
I've been on the fence about Cassel. I hope he works out but I'm not sold on him being as good as some are suggesting. The thing that makes me feel better is the fact that
1. Bill B. thought enough of him to franchise him.
2. Pioli thought enough of Cassel to trade for him.
3. If the stories are correct, McDaniels was also high on him.

These are the guys that would have seen his strengths and his weaknesses on a daily basis and would know if he was actually good. If these guys believe in Cassel than I guess I'll lean towards positive rather than negatives.
That's exactly what I was thinking.

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Mr. Kotter 03-01-2009 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5545538)
Who has ever traded a 1st day pick for a 7th round QB?
The Chiefs.

A number 2 to STL for Green (although, maybe Green was a 6th, now that I think about it.)

How quickly we forget. :)

EyePod 03-01-2009 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 5545233)
And one more point - when did Gretz become KC's most compelling columnist?
Gretz is great for inside info on the Chiefs. Especially during last season, with updates on players who are practicing and the like, plus he gave pretty good info on the games. His articles are normally just a bunch of crap though....

Brock 03-01-2009 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter (Post 5545571)
The Chiefs.

A number 2 to STL for Green (although, maybe Green was a 6th, now that I think about it.)

How quickly we forget. :)
That was a first round pick. And Green was an 8th rounder.

Mr. Kotter 03-01-2009 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5545589)
That was a first round pick. And Green was an 8th rounder.
Okay. Right, the second was for Vermiel. Close enough.

If Cassel turns in the same numbers, or anything close to what Green did here, I'll be smiling.

:thumb:

ChiefsCountry 03-01-2009 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter (Post 5545600)
If Cassel turns in the same numbers, or anything close to what Green did here, I'll be smiling.
So a bunch of great stats but no playoff wins?

Brock 03-01-2009 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter (Post 5545600)
Okay. Right, the second was for Vermiel. Close enough.

If Cassel turns in the same numbers, or anything close to what Green did here, I'll be smiling.

:thumb:
At least this guy isn't anywhere near the end of his career. And frankly, he's already accomplished as much as Green had before he came to KC.


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