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I wouldnt discount him until hes on a team that actually has an above average defense. I will give him one more year to prove himself until i decide he was really a waste of a pick.

good point, i feel the same way.

This or that.

Something is going to have to give, though.

Mr. Slap Dick was retained, suggesting that Pioli didn't think the coaching was a problem with the line. However, we're still looking at the same front 4 (or 3, depending upon if the switch coming to fruition).

It's either coaching or talent. We can't return the same cast o' shit.

He might be waiting to fire Krumrie. Until he can find the certain person he's looking for.

I doubt it, but its a thought.

Herman Edwards RUINED this defense.

I was not in favor of keeping Krumrie, but he may not have been the problem at all. Don't think for a second (especially given his public comments) that Gunther was pumped up about zone coverage and NOT blitzing...

The DLine produced no sacks, because we never blitzed, so 5-6 guys blocking 4 down linemen is typically not a problem for opposing teams, especially when you never, ever, change anything.

Glad your gone Herm.

I don't think Hali is a bad DE. But I think his role as a rotational DE--that's not a bad thing, but he's not a guy you build a defense around and he is certainly expendable. I say that not because of the numbers he put up last year, but about how completely incapable he was of getting around left tackles. It seems like his success came mostly from Jared Allen pushing quarterbacks in Hali's direction.

So yeah, I think hali could do fine as a rotational DE, but he's not a guy that should stop the chiefs from completely revamping the defense.

Sometimes I wonder if some of you even watch the games.

The Chiefs blitzed plenty last year.

As much as I dislike Whitlock, he pointed out during last season how they were playing Dorsey wrong. He didn't play that way in college and Whitlock says he didn't have the right build to play the way they wanted him to. If a new coordinator can make use of the existing players talents versus trying to make them play in a system they're not built for, you'd think there has to be improvement.

I used to be a Gunther fan but I'm glad he's gone. I think he was a good coordinator when he was the coordinator for a great head coach; Schottenhiemer, Fisher, etc... I think Gunther and Herm together was a disaster.

Don't think for a second that Gun wasn't a big part of the problem.

I watched and/or attended every single game.

I'm not saying that's the sole reason, I'm saying that's a BIG PART of why our defense was so ineffective - they played it safe all year, and it would be extremely difficult to sell me anything different.

I'd suggest you re-screen your extensive vault of Herm Edwards' defensive prowess tapes. All that guy thinks about is coverage.

They sucked blitzing, and they sucked rushing four.

They sucked in general.

And they went into the season with the plan to blitz.

I wouldn't deny that Gun was a HUGE part of the problem, but forcing his system to a severe fault was all on Herm in my book.

Gun I give credit to for the awful play of our linebackers, and the laundry list of things we expected from Derrick Johnson that have yet to surface. LBs were his detail alone and he failed in consecutive years.

Of course Herm was a part of the problem, and a big part at that. However, when a team fields an historically bad unit, all of the parts are working to contribute to building the massive shit burger.

I think what we're going to see is that the biggest part of the problem was an overall lack of talent.

This unit is still going to be carpet bombed, IMO.