ChiefsPlanet
Page 2 of 5 1 2 345
Show 80 post(s) from this thread on one page

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Other Sports Curt Schilling Retires -- is he a HOFer? (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204732)

sedated 03-25-2009 09:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5608843)
Those "individual numbers" are stats.
thanks, mr. thesaurus.

clearly you missed the post of that post.

they are all stats, but when determining the quality of a player, I prefer to focus on the stats that are a direct result of the that player, rather than the quality of the team around him.

doomy3 03-25-2009 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sedated (Post 5608867)
thanks, mr. thesaurus.

clearly you missed the post of that post.

they are all stats, but when determining the quality of a player, I prefer to focus on the stats that are a direct result of the that player, rather than the quality of the team around him.
Couldn't figure out what you were trying to say. Your first sentence was that people focused too much on stats, then you posted a bunch of stats. I guess I did miss the post of that post.

penchief 03-25-2009 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sedated (Post 5608848)
he also played on the team that won the most, regardless of division. it makes sense he has a lot of wins.
Not when he played for the Orioles. And he had to pitch against the likes of New York, Toronto, and Boston in their heydays.

sedated 03-25-2009 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5608860)
He played 10 seasons with BALTIMORE and 8 seasons with the Yankees.
true, I'm probably just stuck on my hatred of the yankees. that's probably also why I want Schill in the HOF - he was the perfect yankee killer.

wasn't Baltimore good for several of those years? I didn't follow baseball back then.

RJ 03-25-2009 09:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sedated (Post 5608874)
true, I'm probably just stuck on my hatred of the yankees. that's probably also why I want Schill in the HOF - he was the perfect yankee killer.

wasn't Baltimore good for several of those years? I didn't follow baseball back then.

Only a few. The bad years outnumbered the good ones.

Dave Lane 03-25-2009 09:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5608809)
Not before Blyleven. He can't get in and trumps just about all of Schilling's stats.
I'm OK with both. Blyleven had such a nasty breaking ball. There must be something in the woodpile that is keeping him out.

Amnorix 03-25-2009 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ (Post 5608865)
Mussina was a much more consistent pitcher than Schilling.

Also, you're forgetting that Mussina pitched on some really bad Orioles teams.
eh. The Orioles were average most of his years with them. Of course, he helped MAKE them average...

I think Mussina is pretty clearly in, however. I also can't quite fathom the Blyleven thing.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=581 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>2000</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Baltimore Orioles</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>American League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>74</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>88</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.457</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>13.5</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>3,297,031</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1999</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Baltimore Orioles</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>American League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>78</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>84</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.481</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>20.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>3,431,829</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1998</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Baltimore Orioles</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>American League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>79</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>83</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.488</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>35.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>3,685,194</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1997</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Baltimore Orioles</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>American League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>98</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>64</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.605</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>-</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>3,711,132</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1996</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Baltimore Orioles</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>American League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>88</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>74</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.543</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>4.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>3,646,950</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1995</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Baltimore Orioles</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>American League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>71</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>73</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.493</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>15.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>3,098,475</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1994</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Baltimore Orioles</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>American League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>63</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>49</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.563</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>6.5</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>2,535,359</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1993</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Baltimore Orioles</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>American League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>85</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>77</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.525</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>10.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>3,644,965</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1992</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Baltimore Orioles</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>American League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>89</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>73</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.549</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>7.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>3,567,819</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1991</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Baltimore Orioles</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>American League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>67</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>95</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.414</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>24.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>2,552,753</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle></TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> </TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle></TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle></TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle></TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle></TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle></TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Amnorix 03-25-2009 09:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ (Post 5608876)
Only a few. The bad years outnumbered the good ones.
They were under .500 5 of the years he was with them, and over .500 the other 5 years.

They were basically an average team. They weren't the Devil Rays for Chrissakes.

RJ 03-25-2009 09:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5608900)
They were under .500 5 of the years he was with them, and over .500 the other 5 years.

They were basically an average team. They weren't the Devil Rays for Chrissakes.


Yeah, ok.....but as an Orioles fan it sure felt like it....still does. :(

The O's never should have dealt Schilling, but if I had to pick between him and Mussina I'd take Mussina.

Amnorix 03-25-2009 10:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ (Post 5608922)
Yeah, ok.....but as an Orioles fan it sure felt like it....still does. :(

The O's never should have dealt Schilling, but if I had to pick between him and Mussina I'd take Mussina.
For an entire career, or for Game 7 of a World Series?

BTW, the same years that were basically .500 for Mussina's Orioles weren't nearly so good for Schilling's Phillies. If you want to adjust their candidacy for the suckiness of the team around them, then Schilling gets a bigger adjustment than Mussina:

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=581 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>2000</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Philadelphia Phillies</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>National League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>65</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>97</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.401</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>30.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1,612,819</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1999</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Philadelphia Phillies</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>National League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>77</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>85</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.475</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>26.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1,825,277</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1998</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Philadelphia Phillies</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>National League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>75</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>87</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.463</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>31.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1,715,702</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1997</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Philadelphia Phillies</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>National League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>68</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>94</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.420</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>33.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1,490,638</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1996</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Philadelphia Phillies</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>National League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>67</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>95</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.414</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>29.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1,801,677</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1995</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Philadelphia Phillies</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>National League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>69</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>75</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.479</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>21.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>2,043,598</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1994</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Philadelphia Phillies</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>National League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>54</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>61</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.470</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>20.5</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>2,290,971</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1993</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Philadelphia Phillies</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>National League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>97</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>65</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.599</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>-</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>3,137,674</TD></TR><TR><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1992</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=left> Philadelphia Phillies</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>National League</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>70</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>92</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>.432</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>26.0</TD><TD class=textSm noWrap align=middle>1,927,448</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Sully 03-25-2009 10:06 AM
I always wondered who was a bigger publicity hound.

Curt Schilling or Jeremy Roenick.

Amnorix 03-25-2009 10:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ (Post 5608922)
Yeah, ok.....but as an Orioles fan it sure felt like it....still does. :(

The O's never should have dealt Schilling, but if I had to pick between him and Mussina I'd take Mussina.
Also....right, because you were in the AL East. One year you were 4 games below .500, yet in 4th in teh 5 team AL East, and we were all speedbumps for the ridiculous Yankees. You were 35 games out of first.

1998


<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>
East DivisionTeam W L WL% GBNewYorkY NYY 114 48 .704 -- BostonRS BOS 92 70 .568 22.0Toronto TOR 88 74 .543 26.0Bltmore BAL 79 83 .488 35.0TampaBay TBD 63 99 .389 51.0</PRE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>

teedubya 03-25-2009 10:12 AM
Yes.

because of:::

3116 strikeouts (15th all time)
11-2 record in playoffs with a 2.23 ERA in 19 starts
3 World Series rings
20 game winner 3 times
The Bloody Sock!
An ungodly K/BB ratio.

RJ 03-25-2009 10:13 AM
[QUOTE=Amnorix;5608937]For an entire career, or for Game 7 of a World Series?


For the career, Mussina.

For the game 7 I'd say it's a tossup between the younger Mussina and the older Schilling. Schill was certainly the more dominant pitcher in terms of being a power arm but Mussina always had such beautiful control. Maybe not Maddux type control, but still excellent.

On a side note....

Worst Orioles trade ever.......Schilling, Pete Harnisch and Steve Finley for Glenn Davis. I'm still pissed.

Pioli Zombie 03-25-2009 04:28 PM
Yes. And I'm biased. He and Ortiz changed everything in Boston.
Schillings career in baseball is much like Warners in the NFL and they both are HOFers
Posted via Mobile Device


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:30 PM.
Page 2 of 5 1 2 345
Show 80 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.