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DTLB58 04-25-2009 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5704533)
Surely you don't believe that we're going to be running this hybrid 4-3/3-4 forever. In 2-3 years, I guarantee this team is a true 3-4.

This. End of thread.

DTLB58 04-25-2009 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 5704353)
None of that matters anymore with the new regime in town. They are going to craft it the way they want too. It doesnt matter if we been building a certain way. That way got us 6 wins in 2 years and 1 play off win in the last 20 years.
I dont care what system they run. They will try to do whats best for this team. IF they want to go 3-4 then fine, if they want to stay 4-3 then fine.

Its time to let them do their thing.

I can remember more than 1

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Saccopoo 04-25-2009 08:29 AM

A 3-4 defense helps hide attacking schemes and blitzes from the offense, making it harder for an offense to call appropriate changes to defensive alignments that they see on a play by play basis. In a 3-4, the defensive line's (the three down linemen, RDE, NT, LDE) primary responsibility is to occupy blockers in order to let the smaller, faster linebackers make plays on the ball. Linebackers, especially the ROLB and ILB, are asked to rush/blitz more, cover more than they would in a 4-3 scenario.

A 3-4 scheme is harder to find players for than a 4-3 system. The ROLB must have superb pass rush skills. The defensive line must be bigger, stronger and be able to hold their point of attack against multiple offensive linemen. Guys like that are a rarity, and why you are seeing a perceived increase in value for guys like Raji and Jackson in this years draft as they are being seen as pure 3-4 scheme type players (although I don't believe that Raji will be effective in this type of system as he's a bit of a one year/Senior Bowl wonder ala Ryan Sims who operated at the one gap uptackle in a 4-3 system in college).

chiefzilla1501 04-25-2009 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5704586)
A 3-4 defense helps hide attacking schemes and blitzes from the offense, making it harder for an offense to call appropriate changes to defensive alignments that they see on a play by play basis. In a 3-4, the defensive line's (the three down linemen, RDE, NT, LDE) primary responsibility is to occupy blockers in order to let the smaller, faster linebackers make plays on the ball. Linebackers, especially the ROLB and ILB, are asked to rush/blitz more, cover more than they would in a 4-3 scenario.

A 3-4 scheme is harder to find players for than a 4-3 system. The ROLB must have superb pass rush skills. The defensive line must be bigger, stronger and be able to hold their point of attack against multiple offensive linemen. Guys like that are a rarity, and why you are seeing a perceived increase in value for guys like Raji and Jackson in this years draft as they are being seen as pure 3-4 scheme type players (although I don't believe that Raji will be effective in this type of system as he's a bit of a one year/Senior Bowl wonder ala Ryan Sims who operated at the one gap uptackle in a 4-3 system in college).

I disagree on the second point. I think a nose tackle is one of the hardest positions to find--I agree with that. But a 3-4 OLB is much easier to find than a 4-3 DE, in my opinion, because there's no shortage of undersized pass rushers on the college level. And a 3-4 DE is no more difficult than finding a 4-3 DT. From the LB standpoint, your inside guys are role players, not multi-dimensional, versatile players, which makes it considerably harder to play. I think Wade Phillips once said that he loves a 3-4 because the DE position has become so hard to find these days.

TheGuardian 04-25-2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5704533)
Surely you don't believe that we're going to be running this hybrid 4-3/3-4 forever. In 2-3 years, I guarantee this team is a true 3-4.

We don't even know who we are drafting today, much less what defensive scheme we will be running in 2-3 years.

Mecca 04-25-2009 10:31 AM

If they're taking Tyson Jackson this hybrid shit goes out the window that guy is pure 3-4.

DJ's left nut 04-25-2009 10:38 AM

Because that's what the Patriots Playbook says to do.

All hail the Patriot Way!!!!

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Kyle DeLexus 04-25-2009 11:01 AM

I hope we stay with the 4-3 under, it plays like a 3-4 but would free up Dorsey to have 1on1 matchups inside.

htismaqe 04-25-2009 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5704817)
If they're taking Tyson Jackson this hybrid shit goes out the window that guy is pure 3-4.

They COULD slide him inside, ala Justin Tuck. Not saying it's a good idea, but it's an idea.

htismaqe 04-25-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 5704930)
I hope we stay with the 4-3 under, it plays like a 3-4 but would free up Dorsey to have 1on1 matchups inside.

You could play a pure 3-4 and still give him 1on1 matchups.

Gap assignments are independent of front. You could play 1-gap or 2-gap and still run a 30 front.


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