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milkman 04-25-2009 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5704450)
There's more to the Brady saga than just luck. That's crazy talk.
Can you expand on that?

EyePod 04-25-2009 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5704464)
If you don't already have the tools to succeed, then no amount of coaching and mentoring is going to turn you into the best QB in the league.

And it's pretty well documented that the Pats QB coach had to talk BB and SP into taking Brady over Tim Rattay with that pick.
I think anyone could have been amazing with that team. I still don't think Brady is that special.

milkman 04-25-2009 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5704467)
I think anyone could have been amazing with that team. I still don't think Brady is that special.
Really?

Antwain Smith and a washed up Cory Dillon at RB.

Deion Branch and Troy Brown at reciever.

He won two SBs with marginal talent, and you think anyone could have been amazing?

No offense, but that is just ****ing stupid.

ChiefsCountry 04-25-2009 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5704467)
I think anyone could have been amazing with that team. I still don't think Brady is that special.
:shake: I think Brady showed his worth to that team last season.

htismaqe 04-25-2009 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5704465)
Can you expand on that?
I just think chalking the entire Brady legacy up to "luck" is selling the entire process extremely short.

It's a very jaded way to look at things. But I guess that should probably be expected from a fanbase like ours.

chiefzilla1501 04-25-2009 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5704467)
I think anyone could have been amazing with that team. I still don't think Brady is that special.
It was amazing how the same exact offensive line looked like absolute shit when Brady was out. Why? Because Brady is so lightning quick with his reads and he is better than anybody at spotting a blitz. QBs like Brees and Brady make their offensive lines so much better. And because Brady is arguably the best in the league at pocket awareness. It's these little things. Brady is excellent at almost every facet of the game, especially the things people pay little attention to.

Dave Lane 04-25-2009 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RedBull (Post 5704408)
Main reason is because he did it the right way, hire someone with experience from a winning organization.
What an odd concept. Hiring some one with an ascending resume. Unthinkable!

DTLB58 04-25-2009 08:04 AM
And.....Peter King is in KC this weekend :doh!:

That fugger better not jinx us.

DTLB58 04-25-2009 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5704382)
We're relevant again.

The Cassel trade. The "name" head coach. Probably Pioli himself. It seems like everybody wants to talk about the team.

The NFL Network is providing live reports from 5 teams. 2 of them are Dallas and Denver - of course.

And we're one of them as well.
Well in the media's eyes we were relevant with Herm if you measure it by how much the media slobbered all over his knob.

Tiger's Fan 04-25-2009 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5704504)
I just think chalking the entire Brady legacy up to "luck" is selling the entire process extremely short.

It's a very jaded way to look at things. But I guess that should probably be expected from a fanbase like ours.
It's perfectly acceptable to be skeptical, but if the changes made to this team in the last year don't give a person reason for hope, I'd have to question my love for the game.

milkman 04-25-2009 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5704504)
I just think chalking the entire Brady legacy up to "luck" is selling the entire process extremely short.

It's a very jaded way to look at things. But I guess that should probably be expected from a fanbase like ours.
I'm not sure, really, how that's jaded.

Teams don't draft QBs in the sixth round with any real expectation of getting a starter, much less one of the best ever.

htismaqe 04-25-2009 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DTLBRonaldCurryFan (Post 5704542)
Well in the media's eyes we were relevant with Herm if you measure it by how much the media slobbered all over his knob.
Um, no.

Herm was on NFL Network quite a bit, but there still wasn't the media coverage, BY ALL OUTLETS (not just NFLN) that there is now.

htismaqe 04-25-2009 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5704555)
I'm not sure, really, how that's jaded.

Teams don't draft QBs in the sixth round with any real expectation of getting a starter, much less one of the best ever.
If they didn't see anything in him - the definition of luck - they wouldn't have drafted him at all.

milkman 04-25-2009 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5704572)
If they didn't see anything in him - the definition of luck - they wouldn't have drafted him at all.
There have been a lot of QBs drafted over the years in the 6th or 7th rounds.

75 or 80 in the last 20 years.

They all had something that the teams drafted saw in them, but only 3 ever actually amounted to more than scrubs, unless you want to include guys like Jeff Blake and and Rodney Peete, and a couple of others of that ilk.

But the only real success stories are Brady, Matt Hasselbeck and Marc Bulger.

If we're lucky, we might be able to add Cassel to that small group.

wild1 04-25-2009 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5704467)
I think anyone could have been amazing with that team. I still don't think Brady is that special.
good lord.


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