Who was our last top 20 QB by any reasonable measure? Green? I know it wasn't Croyle, Huard, or Thigpen.

this draft is hard to love....nothing sexy, bitterness that we passed on Sanchez, bitterness that we couldn't trade down, no OL and then a wtf? LT in the 5th, no Ellerbe (lol)....

i totally understand how someone could hate it

but stubborn facts remain...if Cassel is what Halioli believes, and the two 3-4 DEs turn into solid players, then it turns out to be a pretty good draft..even with a puzzling second day....

It's pretty hard to take that we didn't get 1 quality offensive lineman out of this class.

We're used to our draft picks not panning-out, so I think we have this unnatural attraction toward value based on how they fall on pre-draft charts.

What it's ultimately going to be about is how they play. If this staff is any better than those in the past, maybe we'll change our mind about these players over the next 3 years.

Or maybe not.

I agree completely. Hopefully, there is something in the works to bring some more guys in.

That being said, I'm ecstatic about a ton of young defensive lineman competing for spots. We need a push up front more than Jenna Jameson needs a cock.

Jesus, Mecca. They took 3 C's in the 1st.

Reaches were abound EVERYWHERE for OL in this draft.

Rookie OL have the easiest transitions to the NFL. Unlike WRs, TEs, and DL, where we picked abundantly.

Its funny to hear you saying that, not that its a bad statement since obviously O-line was one of this draft's few strengths. Just you know normally a lot of us are all shaking our heads at people crying because we aren't drafting enough OL because its not good value where they want it and here it was good value seemingly.

Several guys on the 2nd day become tremendous value, did you miss that?

Good take, Mr. the Talking Can. As usual, you knock the point right out of the park and through the front windshield of somebody's BMW 320i causing hundreds of little tiny glass chunks to fall through the slots on the dashboard which will be a total bitch to get out of there.

If Cassel performs to expectations, Pioli can afford to concentrate on other areas and this draft (as all do) will be graded several years down the road as these players develop. If he doesn't? Well, we'll have much bigger problems.

I have a feeling that Pioli is looking a lot further down the road than this one, particular draft.

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There was a ton of outstanding 2nd day OL value this year.

This.

i think the draft is proof that Halioli saw the DL as a bigger problem than the OL....and, they just to bite the bullet and move towards a 3-4 all at once instead of dragging it out over a couple of years...hence the 1st and 3rd pick...

they signed vet LBs to carry us for a year and I'm sure that will be a priority next year along with OL....remember we will still have a lot of FA money to fix things with....

again, I get it that this draft is hate-able and I'm not telling anyone not to hate....but it would be false, imo, to suggest that they don't have a plan....one thing about this draft was the truth of their drafting guys who "love the game"....people wonder why we took magee over Jarret (Garret??) and I'd be they decided that magee has the better chance of being a good pro longer than the other guy.....

only time will tell of course....but there is a method here (at least in the first 3 picks...all guys with strong work ethics and dedication to the game), unlike Carl who truly threw darts at a board....

Hey, it's hard to complain about three really good picks next year. Probably another top ten, plus our own 2nd and the Falcons'.

Pioli's lack of movement this year exemplifies the fact that he is just trying to find able bodies to get this team off the ground this year. You only move around a lot when you are a lot more picky than the Chiefs are this year.

DL, WR, and TE take the most time to develop in the NFL (other than QB...). That he's used half of this year's picks on those positions says a lot. You can add linebackers and OL later on because their transition is loads easier.

I'm not disputing that, I said seemingly because they didn't take what I thought was good value OL picks either. They are paid to be better at this than me so maybe they knew something we didn't?