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Mecca 05-16-2009 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 5772191)
I can show you a couple 3-4 teams that have DLmen who penetrate quite a bit.

Ok Jay Ratliff gets in the backfield as a NT in a 3-4...Seymour gets some sacks and then it's like uhh.

Mecca 05-16-2009 09:26 PM

And honestly how many of Seymour's sacks come when NE goes to 4 down?

If you have your front 3 try to penetrate when you're in the actual 3-4 look your linebackers are going to get demolished.

OnTheWarpath15 05-16-2009 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5772200)
And honestly how many of Seymour's sacks come when NE goes to 4 down?

If you have your front 3 try to penetrate when you're in the actual 3-4 look your linebackers are going to get demolished.

Esto.

Welcome back, BTW.

boogblaster 05-16-2009 09:35 PM

Dorsey will have to bulk up to play NT .. LJ has to have blockin' to make big yardage ...

Quesadilla Joe 05-16-2009 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5772189)
Seymour has two 8 sack seasons.

The Patriots also play a lot of 4-3.

htismaqe 05-16-2009 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5772167)
Are you being sarcastic with me like I think you are...if so point to me the team that uses it's 3-4 lineman to create pressure and not eat up the blockers.

Dallas plays a 1-gap 3-4.

Mecca 05-16-2009 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5772220)
Dallas plays a 1-gap 3-4.

And the only one that gets in the backfield with any regularity is Ratliff, no one sees guys like Spears or Canty getting sacks. DeMarcus Ware was the one racking up the numbers.

htismaqe 05-16-2009 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5772224)
And the only one that gets in the backfield with any regularity is Ratliff, no one sees guys like Spears or Canty getting sacks. DeMarcus Ware was the one racking up the numbers.

They don't get in the backfield because they're not that great at it.

They have a 1-gap assignment, which means it's NOT their job to tie up blockers. You said to show you a team that doesn't use it's 3-4 linemen to tie up blockers and I just did.

Just Passin' By 05-16-2009 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 5772219)
The Patriots also play a lot of 4-3.

No, they don't. They are generally a 3-4 team on obvious running downs and they'll use a lot of nickel on other downs. They do use the 4-3, but it's not as if it's a mainstay. The team is a base 3-4, 2 gap, team. On passing downs, Seymour gets after the QB, that's all.

Quesadilla Joe 05-16-2009 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5772234)
No, they don't.

Yes they do. Our new coach says that Denver will be switching using a lot of the 3-4 and the 4-3 because New England had a lot of success with it.

Just Passin' By 05-16-2009 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 5772237)
Yes they do. Our new coach says that Denver will be switching using a lot of the 3-4 and the 4-3 because New England had a lot of success with it.

Your new coach has Denver switching to a 3-4. He's going to use the 4-3 because your defensive front sucks and he'll need to cover for its problems if it can't stop the run with the guys being conscripted to play the NT. New England is multiple with its defensive fronts, but it's just as likely to go with the "big nickel" as it is to go 4-3. Hell, there are times when they've gone with just 1 or 2 D-linemen, for that matter.

Quesadilla Joe 05-16-2009 09:59 PM

Didn't New England run the 4-3 exclusively Beli-cheat's first 3 or 4 years in NE?

Just Passin' By 05-16-2009 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 5772239)
Didn't New England run the 4-3 exclusively Beli-cheat's first 3 or 4 years in NE?

New England actually tried running the 3-4 early on, but the team didn't have a NT that could get the job done. They had to wait for Ted Washington to become available. If you want to see Patriots fans wince, ask them about the Steve Martin experiment. In the 3-4, you really need to have a quality NT, or you're probably going to get run on all day long. It's why both the Broncos and Chiefs could still look terrible even if most of their moves on the defenses pan out.

xbarretx 05-16-2009 10:57 PM

just because Sapp wasnt good at it doesnt mean gleen wont as well. all the Dorsey haters better give the man credit when hes proves you guys wrong :clap:

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-17-2009 12:10 AM

Why does the GM get to pick the scheme? Shouldn't that be the Head Coach's call?

"You get me the talent, I make it all happen"?


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