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Mr. Krab 05-20-2009 09:17 AM

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The rush to judgment on the part of some in the media on Dorsey’s rookie season had less to do with what the young man did on the field, and more to do with the agendas of various pundits as they tried to make Carl Peterson/Herm Edwards look as bad as possible.
The crying never ends.

Hammock Parties 05-20-2009 09:20 AM

Bravo for having the best possible attitude.

Cannibal 05-20-2009 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5779134)
Those numbers scream that what Dorsey did last year in a bad season with a bad defense was pretty normal for first round defensive tackles.

But when he was drafted, he wasn't supposed to be a "normal" first round draft pick. He was supposed to be a "once in a generation" player. I am not calling him a bust yet, but Bob Gretz is a douche... as usual.

L.A. Chieffan 05-20-2009 09:28 AM

sims jr. see ya at the buffet line glen with two ns

Mr. Krab 05-20-2009 09:34 AM

I guess i'm a guy in the minority, but i think Dorsey will be in a better situation in a 3-4 defense as long as they put him at RDE. A RDE in a 3-4 generally slides inside to become an undertackle. This is Dorsey's natural position and he shouldn't be put at nose tackle like the Chiefs did last year. The more space Dorsey has to work in, the better. Also the scheme blitzing that comes with a 3-4 defense might take the offensive line away from Dorsey and give him a real chance to penetrate.

Saccopoo 05-20-2009 09:52 AM

I think Dorsey will be fine. He should see action at the nose and the ends next season. He's strong, with long arms, and has shown (in college) to have the ability to penetrate the gaps as well as take on blockers straight up. Like Fax said (and reinforced by guys like Pollard), I don't think anyone on defense last year knew what the hell was going on due to the fact that they were being forced to play in both Herm's Cover 2 scheme as well as Gun's blitz/stunt hybrid crap. It was a bad marriage and I think we'll see a definite improvement defensively this next year. There are some quality players out there, and some guys who give good effort. I think Tank will be a good nose next season, and the secondary will start to come of age. If we get any type of support from Vrabel and Thomas, we will be much improved over last season.

talastan 05-20-2009 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's (Post 5779419)
I guess i'm a guy in the minority, but i think Dorsey will be in a better situation in a 3-4 defense as long as they put him at RDE. A RDE in a 3-4 generally slides inside to become an undertackle. This is Dorsey's natural position and he shouldn't be put at nose tackle like the Chiefs did last year. The more space Dorsey has to work in, the better. Also the scheme blitzing that comes with a 3-4 defense might take the offensive line away from Dorsey and give him a real chance to penetrate.

This X1000

DaKCMan AP 05-20-2009 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 5779380)
But when he was drafted, he wasn't supposed to be a "normal" first round draft pick. He was supposed to be a "once in a generation" player. I am not calling him a bust yet, but Bob Gretz is a douche... as usual.

Even "once in a generation" rookie DT's struggle. Look at Warren Sapp's rookie season compared to Dorsey: (Sapp) 26 tackles, 3 sacks. (Dorsey) 32 tackles, 1 sack.

Chiefnj2 05-20-2009 10:06 AM

IMO Dorsey's best chance of success in the NFL would be to lose a few pounds and play the undertackle at about 285 lbs. Chronic shin/leg injury plus being asked to play at 300lbs plus doesn't seem like a great idea.

BigChiefFan 05-20-2009 10:15 AM

“Listen, I was the fifth pick and we only one two games"


Classic Gretz.

Cannibal 05-20-2009 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5779497)
Even "once in a generation" rookie DT's struggle. Look at Warren Sapp's rookie season compared to Dorsey: (Sapp) 26 tackles, 3 sacks. (Dorsey) 32 tackles, 1 sack.

Then I guess if we're comparing him to Sapp, we can expect something along the lines of 41 tackles and 9 sacks this year?

talastan 05-20-2009 10:28 AM

Dorsey will excel IMO with this new defensive scheme. They are already according to some reports lining him up in the RDE position for the 3-4 and as RDT for the 4-3. I believe the unpredictablity of the 3-4 blitzing will allow our boy to be alot more difficult to block since they will have to tie up blockers with Edwards, Jackson, and the OLB's. I see Dorsey getting much better penetration in this new scheme. Let's not forget how the losers that ran this Defense before misused Dorsey in the Cover who Defense.

talastan 05-20-2009 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 5779559)
Then I guess if we're comparing him to Sapp, we can expect something along the lines of 41 tackles and 9 sacks this year?

Sounds good to me!! :thumb:

Chiefnj2 05-20-2009 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by talastan (Post 5779560)
Dorsey will excel IMO with this new defensive scheme. They are already according to some reports lining him up in the RDE position for the 3-4 and as RDT for the 4-3. I believe the unpredictablity of the 3-4 blitzing will allow our boy to be alot more difficult to block since they will have to tie up blockers with Edwards, Jackson, and the OLB's. I see Dorsey getting much better penetration in this new scheme. Let's not forget how the losers that ran this Defense before misused Dorsey in the Cover who Defense.

It would help if KC actually had some decent OLB's who could rush the passer.

CoMoChief 05-20-2009 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GRETZ
The Chiefs hope Dorsey follows in the footsteps of Ngata, Patterson and Wilfork in their second seasons in the league.

Those 3 are NT's, something Dorsey is not.


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