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The Bronco Rob 06-10-2009 09:17 AM

"The Chiefs had the most embarrassing pass rush in NFL history last season, pulling the passer down 10 times, a league record for sacking ineptitude."






:LOL:

wasi 06-10-2009 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5829760)

Personally, I don't think this team is talented enough to overcome the weaknesses and seams that will come from blitzing a lot and throwing gimmicks out there. That's probably why Haley wants everyone in kickass shape, to be faster.


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Also according to the article nothing the Pendergast is doing is revolutionary, nor is he rewriting the book on playing defense. I know the quote is referring more to defensive attitude but trying to create pre-snap confusion for the QB is also pretty common. I don't know if I call tryin to do that a gimmick, it seems to make sense if the players can actually reset and get aligned right when the snap comes.

During last season, I recall Herm saying they would change the scheme to get more pressure by blitzing. However, I don't remember seeing many games where the defense did something that looked different from the previous game. So, I am welcoming the new style of defense, for it's versatility and attacking attitude.

If we are going to be loosing a lot next year, I'd rather see a team playing defense by taking the fight to the other teams offense rather than sitting back trying to cover. If nothing else, the defense will create some distruption that could lead to big plays and maybe steal a win or two.

Of course all of the scheming and confusion and blitzing isn't to do a damn thing if we can't stop the run and force the other team to throw. That comes from the base package which the article mentions is a base 34. That sounds different than the information earlier this offseason where the base was sounding like the under formation. I recall that during the weekends manitory camp Haley was really happy with the fact the defense got a lot of plays installed. Maybe so much so they are now in experimentation mode?

Rausch 06-10-2009 09:46 AM

Good.

Gun didn't seem to comprehend the whole "confusion" idea.

We telegraphed blitzes, and if I had a dollar for every time someone came clean and then just ****ing wiffed on a QB I'd have a winter home in Vegas.

This defense has talent. It's had different levels of talent for years. The problem has been how we've used it and what we asked those guys to do. A monkey with a machine gun should take over the whole tribe, but then again, he might just use it to dig up termites...

Buehler445 06-10-2009 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wasi (Post 5829807)
Also according to the article nothing the Pendergast is doing is revolutionary, nor is he rewriting the book on playing defense. I know the quote is referring more to defensive attitude but trying to create pre-snap confusion for the QB is also pretty common. I don't know if I call tryin to do that a gimmick, it seems to make sense if the players can actually reset and get aligned right when the snap comes.

During last season, I recall Herm saying they would change the scheme to get more pressure by blitzing. However, I don't remember seeing many games where the defense did something that looked different from the previous game. So, I am welcoming the new style of defense, for it's versatility and attacking attitude.

If we are going to be loosing a lot next year, I'd rather see a team playing defense by taking the fight to the other teams offense rather than sitting back trying to cover. If nothing else, the defense will create some distruption that could lead to big plays and maybe steal a win or two.

Of course all of the scheming and confusion and blitzing isn't to do a damn thing if we can't stop the run and force the other team to throw. That comes from the base package which the article mentions is a base 34. That sounds different than the information earlier this offseason where the base was sounding like the under formation. I recall that during the weekends manitory camp Haley was really happy with the fact the defense got a lot of plays installed. Maybe so much so they are now in experimentation mode?

I agree with the attacking comments. It is critical that this team attacks. No defense can sit around and wait for mistakes. It just isn't viable anymore.

What I was referring to with the gimmick was the one down lineman bit.
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Rausch 06-10-2009 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5829855)
I agree with the attacking comments. It is critical that this team attacks. No defense can sit around and wait for mistakes. It just isn't viable anymore.

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5829855)
What I was referring to with the gimmick was the one down lineman bit.

I doubt that's something you see all that often. It's something to confuse the defense. It's like a WR reverse or flea flicker, you might see it once or twice a game...

BarrySPAMAID 06-10-2009 09:53 AM

Good Cup O Chiefs Gretz. I too think that there will be no NFL records set against this defense in 2009. I look forward to a very competitive defense.

milkman 06-10-2009 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5829852)
A monkey with a machine gun should take over the whole tribe, but then again, he might just use it to dig up termites...

Send that monkey over to Hog Farmer's place.

ChiefMojo 06-10-2009 08:38 PM

Actually this is a defensive philosophy that is extremely similar to New England and Pittsburgh. It has worked for them for years. Confuse the Offense/QB by crowding the line of scrimmage and have different people come any given plays. You don't know who is coming or who is dropping. This is nothing new, but probably is for many on this board. It is not a gimmick defense... it is just completely different than most pay attention to.

DaWolf 06-10-2009 08:49 PM

Can't be any worse than the last 10 years...

kcxiv 06-10-2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 5831645)
Actually this is a defensive philosophy that is extremely similar to New England and Pittsburgh. It has worked for them for years. Confuse the Offense/QB by crowding the line of scrimmage and have different people come any given plays. You don't know who is coming or who is dropping. This is nothing new, but probably is for many on this board. It is not a gimmick defense... it is just completely different than most pay attention to.

This. Notice these 2 teams throw pretty much anyone at linebacker and they all succeed. They go somewhere else and they all fail. Its the scheme that is good. Cept for Porter, but i think Miami is running the same scheme over there as well.

aturnis 06-10-2009 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 5831922)
This. Notice these 2 teams throw pretty much anyone at linebacker and they all succeed. They go somewhere else and they all fail. Its the scheme that is good. Cept for Porter, but i think Miami is running the same scheme over there as well.

Yep, switch a prolific 3-4 LB to a 4-3 and you might end up with Kendrell Bell...

Hammock Parties 06-10-2009 11:29 PM

Anyone else getting GROB vibes off Pendergast?

58kcfan89 06-10-2009 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5829852)
Good.

Gun didn't seem to comprehend the whole "confusion" idea.

We telegraphed blitzes, and if I had a dollar for every time someone came clean and then just ****ing wiffed on a QB I'd have a winter home in Vegas.

This defense has talent. It's had different levels of talent for years. The problem has been how we've used it and what we asked those guys to do. A monkey with a machine gun should take over the whole tribe, but then again, he might just use it to dig up termites...

"This" on the entire post, but I definitely agree with the bolded part. This defense has talent, it's just that a lot of it is young/raw and needs [good] coaching (I know a lot of you are ready to give up on everyone on the D except the new faces, but I think there's still a lot of potential waiting there). I don't think the defense will be great this year, but as much as Pioli & Haley want to win now, there's still work to do.

I also love the gimmicky defensive stuff. Granted, if it doesn't work, it's annoying, but I love the thought of confusing a QB/OL at the LOS. I'm excited to see the 2009 Chiefs, a lot moreso than I have been for past versions*.


*Before you kill me & say "you should always be excited!!11!1!, real fans can't wait for the season!!11!1," etc., I am always excited to see the Chiefs take the field. But I can't remember a time that I was this giddy about seeing a Chiefs team, even if I don't expect to see the wins this season.

BarrySPAMAID 06-11-2009 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5831941)
Anyone else getting GROB vibes off Pendergast?

GROB?

Mr. Kotter 06-11-2009 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BarrysKOOLAID (Post 5832006)
GROB?

Greg Robinson....heh.


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