Damn sorry typo Nate washington


Thanks mile but I'm building the O now so it's a work in progress

Your defense is ****ing stout man. If I had to choose....I would probably put you at #1 right now just based on potential.

I like the Hawk/Sims/Lawson trio...

Not a Stewart Bradley fan? He's a 25 year old All-Pro middle linebacker for the Eagles. I definitely have some flexibility with my LBs and rush ends.

Burlington Blue Barracudas look the best so far.

HB - Clinton Portis (Leon Washington as backup)
FB - TBD
QB - Kurt Warner
WR1 - Santana Moss
WR2 - Laveranues Coles
WR3 - Davone Bess
TE - Chris Cooley
LT - Jake Long
LG - Kris Dielman
C - TBD
RG - Chris Snee
RT - Jammal Brown
K - Stephen Gostkowski
P - TBD
KR/PR - Leon Washington (Davone Bess as backup)
FS - Jarrad Page
SS - Adrian Wilson
CB1 - Champ Bailey
CB2 - Darrelle Revis
OLB1 - Keith Rivers
OLB2 - TBD
MLB - Nick Barnett
DE - Mario Williams
DE - Jared Allen
DT - Tommie Harris
DT - Brandon Mebane

I'm sorry no offense but all around D I feel mine is the best now the O is a work in progress.

well, then you would be wrong.

You're stoned. Pound for pound, the Butte-Holes are about as good as it gets right now... my depth on offense (QB, RB, WR) and secondary are better than 3B, by far.

Keyword.

:D I can only tell it like it is... each team has holes to fill still, but the only real weak link so far on my team is QB and it's only because Schaub has injury concerns and Edwards hasn't broken out to that next level yet. Both have huge upside this year... break 'em down position by position and I like my chances very much so far.

That's funny, I was just going to challenge you to put our two teams side by side and compare position by position and see where you thought you were better at.

I'm heading into a meeting in a few minutes, but I'll give some quick feedback for ya' Doomy...

QBs - Ben is obviously better of the 4 QBs and Kyle has nice upside. A healthy Schaub is = to Ben at the very least. Overall, I think our QBs are a push at this point, but I will give you a 'slight' edge.

RBs - Hands down, I've got you beat so far. Shouldn't be any questions about that one.

WR/TEs - White and Colston with Gates are greatness, Henry... not so much. Boldin, Housh, Roy and Olsen are all solid. Housh and Roy are now the #1 options for their teams (compared to 2008). This category is very even right now and I'd have to say it's a push at worst, but Roy over Henry would give me the nod I think.

Hard for me at least to truly judge the OL and DL for both teams so far, both show lots of promise with great players.

LBs - I'll give you the edge.

DBs - You have the name "Nnamdi" that many will see and say "winner", but again - I think it's a push so far as my 4 are all very solid as well and I think as a group, I'll take my guys over what you have put together.

Overall - we're very very similar... will be interesting to see what happens in the final dozen rounds.

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Offense:
QB: Ben Roethlisberger
QB: Kyle Orton

RB: Maurice Jones-Drew
RB: Pierre Thomas

WR: Roddy White
WR: Marques Colston
WR: Chris Henry
TE: Antonio Gates

LT: Jason Peters
LG: Travelle Wharton
C: Shaun O'Hara
RG: Shawn Andrews
RT: Jared Gaither

Defense:

CB: Nnamdi Asonugha
CB: Leodis McKelvin (Also PR/KR)
CB: Chris Gamble
FS: Aquib Talib
SS: Bob Sanders

MLB: Stewart Bradley
OLB: A.J. Hawk
OLB: Ernie Sims
OLB/DE: Manny Lawson

DE: Trent Cole
DE: Derrick Harvey
DE: Andre Carter
DT: Adam Carriker
DT: Ty Warren
DT: Kelly Gregg

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<st1:city w:st="on"><st1>Crested Butte-Holes</st1></st1:city> (26)<o></o>

QB
Matt Schaub, QB (28)
Trent Edwards, QB<o></o> (25)
WR/TE
Anquan Boldin, WR<o></o> (28)
TJ Houshmandzadeh, WR<o></o> (31)
Roy Williams, WR<o></o> (27)
Greg Olsen, TE<o></o> (24)
RB
Peyton Hillis, FB<o></o> (23)
Brandon Jacobs, RB<o></o> (27)
Kevin Smith, RB<o></o> (22)
*(also includes Norwood, listed primarily as the KR)
OL
Marcus McNeil, LT<o></o> (25)
<st1><st1>Robert</st1> <st1>Gallery</st1></st1>, LG<o></o> (28)
Olin Kreutz, C<o></o> (32)
Chris Kuper, RG (26)
ST
Mason Crosby, K (24)
Jerious Norwood*, KR/RB (25)
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Offense/ST Avg Age = 26.3 years

DL
Julius Peppers, DE/OLB<o></o> (29)
Ray Edwards, LDE (24)
Kevin Williams, DT<o></o><o></o> (28)
Darryl Tapp, RDE (24)
LB
Kirk Morrison, ILB<o></o> (27)
Zach Diles, OLB/SLB (24)
Curtis Lofton, MLB<o></o> (23)
DB
Richard Marshall, CB<o></o> (24)
Charles Tillman, CB<o></o> (28)
Gibril Wilson, S<o></o> (27)
Roman Harper, S (26)

Hmmm, I really don't see where you would have me beat at RB. MJD and Pierre Thomas are extremely solid options, and really are probably more solid than some combination or Jacobs and Smith.

And, I really don't see how you can call Roethlisberger and Schaub a push.

I guess this is why we'll have other people vote on this though. It is pretty hard to see things with an open mind when looking at your team.

I think it's a push if Schaub is healthy... with those weapons, he can be every bit as productive as Ben. Orton with his new team and Edwards now with TO, should be fairly equal.

2007 was Ben's best year, the other 3 seasons have been about the same as 2008... good, but not spectacular from a production stand point, which is how we have to judge them right?

In 2008 - Ben had 16 starts vs Matt's 11 starts:
Yards: Ben 3,301 / Matt 3,043
TDs: Ben 17 / Matt 15
INTs: Ben 15 / Matt 10

5 fewer games for Schaub and extremely similar stats. Again... if healthy, Schaub can be just as good or better.

I think MJD and Jacobs are very comparable as well... MJD is more of a dual threat while Jacobs is a pure run only kind of guy, but overall production (yards and TDs) is pretty equal.

Kevin Smith is the #1 guy in DET coming off a nice performance as is Thomas in NOS, but Smith has less threats right now to steal production, IMO. Add in Hillis at FB who will also see plenty of action at RB and the option of Norwood as a KR/backup RB... I think I definitely have you covered as of now.

Our teams are very even though ...