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Mecca 09-16-2009 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6079892)
So far the spread hasn't hurt kids transitioning from Florida to the NFL under Meyer, but it's still too early and the next few years will answer the questions.

It hurts QB's more than anything, he had one high profile selected QB, Alex Smith and he failed miserably.

Do I think all of Florida's player are going to fail at the next level, no but I do think they have greater learning curves to overcome.

DaKCMan AP 09-16-2009 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6079894)
It hurts QB's more than anything, he had one high profile selected QB, Alex Smith and he failed miserably.

Do I think all of Florida's player are going to fail at the next level, no but I do think they have greater learning curves to overcome.

We'll see how Tebow does but I think the real story on Florida QB's under Meyer will come once John Brantley goes to the NFL. That kid has a NFL arm and will operate a Florida offense more tailored towards a NFL-esque spread offense.

Mecca 09-16-2009 07:57 PM

I don't really think Meyer is going to make their offense more NFL like..the guy is cocky. He thinks the spread ofense would work in the NFL, take this for example.

Meyer: NFL coaches afraid of spread offense

* 07:53 AM ET 09.10

Florida coach Urban Meyer has been asked for advice from at least four N.F.L. teams, including the New England Patriots. "I think it would have worked years ago," Meyer said. "No one has had enough -- I don't want to say courage -- no one has wanted to step across that line. Everyone runs the same offense in the N.F.L. A lot of those coaches are retreads. They get fired in Minnesota, they go to St. Louis. They get fired in St. Louis and go to San Diego. I guess what gets lost in the shuffle is your objective is to go win the game. If it's going to help you win the game, then you should run the spread."

New York Times


That's nice and all and you can have elements of the spread in your offense all teams do but you can't run that offense at the NFL level...

NFL teams are afraid of the spread the same way they were afraid of the wishbone in the 1970s.

It works great in college, where you have 100 players on the program, there's some depth on the bench, and there is a difference in quality of play from team to team. You try that in the pros with a 53-man roster and lose your starting QB, you're hung for the rest of the season.

And, at the risk of starting a Vick flame war, one of the problems that the Falcons faced (and that whoever gets Tebow will if they use him as a QB) is that you build your offense around the ability of one player. If that player gets hurt, you'd better have a backup that can run that same offense or, again, the team is screwed because the whole offense has to learn a new scheme mid-season.

I'd love to see him go to the NFL and try to make that work since he seems arrogant enough to try it...he'd come crawling back a few years later after the NFL humbled him just like Spurrier.

DaKCMan AP 09-16-2009 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6079909)
I don't really think Meyer is going to make their offense more NFL like..the guy is cocky. He thinks the spread ofense would work in the NFL, take this for example.

Meyer: NFL coaches afraid of spread offense

* 07:53 AM ET 09.10

Florida coach Urban Meyer has been asked for advice from at least four N.F.L. teams, including the New England Patriots. "I think it would have worked years ago," Meyer said. "No one has had enough -- I don't want to say courage -- no one has wanted to step across that line. Everyone runs the same offense in the N.F.L. A lot of those coaches are retreads. They get fired in Minnesota, they go to St. Louis. They get fired in St. Louis and go to San Diego. I guess what gets lost in the shuffle is your objective is to go win the game. If it's going to help you win the game, then you should run the spread."

New York Times


That's nice and all and you can have elements of the spread in your offense all teams do but you can't run that offense at the NFL level...

NFL teams are afraid of the spread the same way they were afraid of the wishbone in the 1970s.

It works great in college, where you have 100 players on the program, there's some depth on the bench, and there is a difference in quality of play from team to team. You try that in the pros with a 53-man roster and lose your starting QB, you're hung for the rest of the season.

And, at the risk of starting a Vick flame war, one of the problems that the Falcons faced (and that whoever gets Tebow will if they use him as a QB) is that you build your offense around the ability of one player. If that player gets hurt, you'd better have a backup that can run that same offense or, again, the team is screwed because the whole offense has to learn a new scheme mid-season.

I'd love to see him go to the NFL and try to make that work since he seems arrogant enough to try it...he'd come crawling back a few years later after the NFL humbled him just like Spurrier.

I don't think he'll ever go to the NFL. He's a college coach, loves the college game, the pageantry and loves coaching college kids.

Brantley is very different from Tebow. Will Meyer start running an NFL offense? No. Will he run the spread option to the extent he does with Tebow? No. I think with Brantley at QB it will be closer to a spread offense like the Patriots run.

Mecca 09-16-2009 08:03 PM

Personally I'd never draft a spread QB, you're just asking for it to blow up in your face.

Param 09-16-2009 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chagrin (Post 6079836)
Like I said, gimmicky - and you're spot on - Michigan doesn't need to recruit undersized, under-talented players. Their line is laughably small, and forcier was ranked #16 in the country - he doesn't have to run spread to be successful. I just hate it, and it's goofy watching that shit in Ann Arbor.

Look at their head coach.

DaKCMan AP 09-16-2009 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6079923)
Personally I'd never draft a spread QB, you're just asking for it to blow up in your face.

Luckily for you, you'll never have to. ;)

Param 09-16-2009 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6079825)
The reason I don't get why Michigan runs it is a team like that can get top notch players. The spread is for teams that don't get great recruits to help make up the difference...
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That is just totally wrong.

Mecca 09-16-2009 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Param (Post 6079931)
That is just totally wrong.

Then what exactly is the purpose of the spread?

It's not to spread out the defense to make the QB have easy reads and then attack the 3rd and 4th CB's on the field because even college powerhouses have a hard time going 4 deep at CB?

Param 09-16-2009 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6079862)
the Eagles don't even have Maclin on the field because he doesn't know how to run their routes.

Yet, he goes 1st round and Crabtree went #10 overall.

Mecca 09-16-2009 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Param (Post 6079960)
Yet, he goes 1st round and Crabtree went #10 overall.

If it continues to happen those players are going to get strikes for not being ready.

Plenty of project players get drafted, but they may not be 1st round picks anymore. The difference in why DeSean Jackson can produce right away and Maclin can't is the colleges they went to.

Param 09-16-2009 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6079935)
Then what exactly is the purpose of the spread?

It's not to spread out the defense to make the QB have easy reads and then attack the 3rd and 4th CB's on the field because even college powerhouses have a hard time going 4 deep at CB?

Purpose or not, the top teams in the land are running it and it's effective.

Mecca 09-16-2009 08:20 PM

Great, I think it's ****ing up development for the next level but to each their own.

htismaqe 09-16-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6079987)
Great, I think it's ****ing up development for the next level but to each their own.

The next level is likely going to have to adapt as the talent pool starts to dry up. We're eventually going to see these types of base offenses in the NFL, instead of just seeing them as situational packages like they are now.

Mecca 09-16-2009 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 6080084)
The next level is likely going to have to adapt as the talent pool starts to dry up. We're eventually going to see these types of base offenses in the NFL, instead of just seeing them as situational packages like they are now.

I disagree, I don't think teams will ever put their QB's in that position. Not to mention the league is still full of run the ball, play defense type of coaches.


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