Oh I disagree that team is as complete of a team as you can find.... they gave up those yards to two of the best Offenses in football and in reality should have beat them both if Clayton ****ing catches that 4th down pass

Sorry, I don't see NE as one of the best teams. They were extremely lucky to beat Buffalo.

Here's the way I see it:

New Orleans beats the Vikings due to Favre's ability to throw intereceptions at inopportune times. Brees quick release negates the Vikings pass rush. The Saints have a very good ground game and while Peterson's a stud, he can be shut down.

The Giants have holes. Manning didn't play well Sunday, their receivers are young and their defense can be dominant, they're missing a lot of pieces right now.

The Colts look tough. Their offense is humming along and their defense looks surprising aggressive under Coyer.

Denver is a mild surprise at 4-0 and their defense has been winning games for them. We'll see how long that lasts, especially with the better teams in the NFC East still on the schedule. I think they finish 8-8 or 9-7 this year.

Game one really doesn't count.

Especially when it was Brady's first game in a year.

Colts
Saints
Vikings
Giants
Broncos

and Brady still ****ing won..... I don't care what happened he made the plays when he needed to and won like he seemingly always does

I think Denver could feasibly finish 7-9 and lose the division to San Diego. The next two weeks will tell us a lot.

They've got a pretty tough schedule from here on out. NE, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, NYG, Indy, Philly, 2 versus SD. On the easier side, you'd think they'd beat Washington, they have one more with Oakland and of course two against us. Although I think at some point they'll give back the game they basically stole from Cinci, and it will probably happen against one of the teams in the easy group.

If they come out of that 10-6 or better, that would be impressive. I think a lot of people (myself included) saw them as a 6 or 7 win team this year.

The Broncos haven't even gelled on offense yet. Josh McDaniels knows beyond doubt now that the Broncos defense is for real. He can now take gambles on offense that he wouldn't have thought of taking in the weeks past.

They may be better than what everyone besides KnowMo thought... but I still couldn't put them above any of the other unbeatens yet...

Uh, that was my point.

Dave said he wasn't impressed because they only one by 1 point.

I countered that.

I repeatedly mentioned their personnel moves and the fact that they'd probably be at least 8-8, despite the ridiculous nonsense going on here at the 'Planet regarding the supposed "problems" and "fail" in Denver.

Thats not it at all. The Bills COMPLETELY choked that game away.

they have a hell of a lot more talent then our team does so I figured they would at least win 6... especially getting to play Oakland and KC twice... I didn't see their D looking as good as they have though

Did Brady not throw 2 TD passes at the end of that game? he won the game because the Bills ****ed up... you can't do that shit when you are playing Tom Brady and the Pats they will beat you everytime

If McKelvin is smart and takes a touchback, he never fumbles. Bills win.