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beach tribe 10-13-2009 01:30 PM

I know everybody is like" the Cowboys barely beat us is overtime" Completely forgetting that the Boys muffed a punt had more penalties than a hungover Raiders squad, and dropped two TD passes. This game could have easily been a blowout.
I'll reserve the rainbows for whern we actually win, and deserve to win.

OnTheWarpath15 10-13-2009 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6168765)
I know everybody is like" the Cowboys barely beat us is overtime" Completely forgetting that the Boys muffed a punt had more penalties than a hungover Raiders squad, and dropped two TD passes. This game could have easily been a blowout.
I'll reserve the rainbows for whern we actually win, and deserve to win.

This.

beach tribe 10-13-2009 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6168480)
When Clark threw out an additional $75 million for stadium renovations back in December 2008, it was a sign that the Chiefs would not be very active in free agency.

I just didn't realize to what degree.

But, would it not more than make up the difference if we were a decent team, and we actually sold out the games? Or are we still selling a lot of tickets?
It can't be that many. Does a shit load of people really go watch a team that has won 2 of the last 30 games? I'm asking because I don't really know.

OnTheWarpath15 10-13-2009 02:30 PM

I'd love to know what progress Tucker is seeing, specifically on defense.

There are 4 new starters handpicked by Haley/Pioli, and the numbers are almost identical to last year.

2008:

27.5 PPG

393 Yards Allowed

6.0 Yards Allowed Per Play


2009:

27.6 PPG

402 Yards Allowed

6.1 Yards Allowed Per Play

SAUTO 10-13-2009 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6168934)
I'd love to know what progress Tucker is seeing, specifically on defense.

There are 4 new starters handpicked by Haley/Pioli, and the numbers are almost identical to last year.

2008:

27.5 PPG

393 Yards Allowed

6.0 Yards Allowed Per Play


2009:

27.6 PPG

402 Yards Allowed

6.1 Yards Allowed Per Play

WELL it could be that we have played better teams so far this year

OnTheWarpath15 10-13-2009 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6168951)
WELL it could be that we have played better teams so far this year

Or, it could just be that Pioli and Haley can't evaluate talent.

Or made a poor choice when hiring a DC.

FWIW, those 2008 numbers are for the entire season, not just the first 5 games, and the 2009 numbers are severely skewed by the Oakland game - allowing only 166 yards in that game.

We allowed Baltimore to gain 120 yards more than their average.

We allowed Philly to gain 50 yards more than their average - with a backup QB and RB.

We allowed the Giants 12 yards more than their average, with Manning sitting a good chunk of the 2nd half.

We allowed the Cowboys 80 yards more than they average, with their WR1 not making the trip.



There's absolutely no defense (no pun intended) for the play of the defense, especially when Pioli/Haley forced their way into a 3-4, and handpicked 4 of the current starters.

DaneMcCloud 10-13-2009 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6168951)
WELL it could be that we have played better teams so far this year

If had told me that the Chiefs would lose by 20 to Philly's backup QB and without some of their best players, I'd think you were nuts.

If you had told me the Chiefs would lose by 11 points to the Giants with Eli Manning on the sidelines and with their second string defense on the field for most of the second half, I'd think you were crazy.

If you had told me that Miles Austin would put up 250 yards receiving while Roy Williams sat along with Felix Jones, I'd tell you to get the **** out.

This team is BAD, Jason.

There are no two ways to paint it.

SAUTO 10-13-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6169032)
If had told me that the Chiefs would lose by 20 to Philly's backup QB and without some of their best players, I'd think you were nuts.

If you had told me the Chiefs would lose by 11 points to the Giants with Eli Manning on the sidelines and with their second string defense on the field for most of the second half, I'd think you were crazy.

If you had told me that Miles Austin would put up 250 yards receiving while Roy Williams sat along with Felix Jones, I'd tell you to get the **** out.

This team is BAD, Jason.

There are no two ways to paint it.

i understand that dane, baltimore, nyg, and philly are SB caliber teams. did you happen to see what kolb did in the other game he started? about the same as against us IIRC. maybe those teams are just deeper than us.

SAUTO 10-13-2009 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6168991)
FWIW, those 2008 numbers are for the entire season, not just the first 5 games, and the 2009 numbers are severely skewed by the Oakland game - allowing only 166 yards in that game.

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why are the numbers "skewed" by the raiders game? did we not actually play them? i dont get that. our defense held them to 166 yards right? or was that another teams d that played that game? oh and i'm sure philly's avg counts the other game kolb started right?

DaneMcCloud 10-13-2009 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6169074)
i understand that dane, baltimore, nyg, and philly are SB caliber teams. did you happen to see what kolb did in the other game he started? about the same as against us IIRC. maybe those teams are just deeper than us.

Baltimore is now 3-2. Philly played without their starting running back and starting quarterback. The Giants sat their franchise QB and most of their defense.

The Chiefs lost to both teams. The Chiefs gave up 500 yards to both teams.

Both teams weren't even close to being at their full potential yet the Chiefs lost big time.

It's a bad football team, Jason.

kcxiv 10-13-2009 04:45 PM

This team is ****ing horrible. We may not win a game this year. We got nothing on offense and nothing on defense.

You know its bad when the best part of your team is the punter and the kicker. We nailed them draft picks. hah


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