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suds79 10-14-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6170906)
Adding a great WR to a team that doesn't have an OL or pass rush, or much else, doesn't do much to rebuild the team.

Well to your point about not having an O-line...

Nobody is saying not to focus on the O-line throughout this next draft. People are just saying you don't have to do it with the 1st round pick.

There's a lot of good teams who have their O-lines (save LT) built with mid to late round picks.

nychief 10-14-2009 11:30 AM

I could see us bringng in Mankins and another FA... then going WR in the first. Then depth later.

bowener 10-14-2009 11:34 AM

Following the theme from the 'Chiefs DT' thread, I feel we should just run a 5-2 and pick up Sands and Montgomery. So your draft, though coherent and thoughtful, does not have enough DT's being drafted by the Chiefs. We need Suh in the first, and probably another with one of our 2nd rounders... it just seems legit.

DumbHillbillies 10-14-2009 11:34 AM

Haven't seen kindle play but I'm weary of texas lbs. Is he soft like dj ?

milkman 10-14-2009 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 6170927)
Well to your point about not having an O-line...

Nobody is saying not to focus on the O-line throughout this next draft. People are just saying you don't have to do it with the 1st round pick.

There's a lot of good teams who have their O-lines (save LT) built with mid to late round picks.

Marcus McNeill is a second round pick, who by the way, struggled mightily in his second season.

Chad Clifton was also a second round pick.

So it isn't necessary to spend a first rund pick on LT< though your chances improve in finding them in the first round.

suds79 10-14-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6170955)
Marcus McNeill is a second round pick, who by the way, struggled mightily in his second season.

Chad Clifton was also a second round pick.

So it isn't necessary to spend a first rund pick on LT< though your chances improve in finding them in the first round.

Agreed.

We need to give Albert time at LT and in the offseason in the mid rounds or so draft some guys to fill in the holes for the rest of that line.

Some good FAs if there are any wouldn't hurt also.

CoMoChief 10-14-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6170806)
I've been looking over the film and collecting my notes of the players that should be in the upcoming draft, that we should give serious consideration to help improve the team. If Pioli plays his cards right he could come away with a handful of players that should improve the team by leaps and bounds and be future staples of the team for year's to come.

1st Round-WR Dez Bryant, OSU- Dez Bryant is the rare talent that brings athleticism and an ability to reel in the tough catches. So far, in just a over two seasons(plus the few games this season) he has 147 receptions, 2425 yards, 19 yard avg. reception, 29 TDs, plus 3 more TDs in the return game. Dez is the rare WR talent that comes along once every 5 years. He's the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson. Our WRs could use a major upgrade and Bryant could go along way into improving the group.

2nd Round-DE/OLBer Sergio Kindle , Texas- Kindle is a sack artist who plays DE at Texas. He's a high motor player, who will be a tweener at the next level, making him a good fit as a 3-4 OLBer and causing his draft stock to fall some for our benefit.

2nd Round-OT Jason Fox Univ. of Miami- Fox is quickly making a name for himself as the Hurricane start to capture a national audience. Fox at 6'6'' 314 lbs. has cemented himself as the anchor to the Hurricane's offensive line.

3rd Round-NT Jeff Owens Georgia-Owens is not a true NT, but at 6'1" 306 lbs. he could probably bulk up some and give us some depth at the position. Owens is on the Bronco Nagurski watch list for top player in the nation. 64 names are submitted. He was once considered a first round prospect until he tore his ACL in the past. He's a sure tackler and strong as an ox, with a reported bench press of 535 lbs. For a 3rd round pick, he's got upside to play a starting role if he can add some mass and stay healthy.

4th round-HB Montario Hardesty-Tennessee. The SECs leading rusher has been one of the few bright spots for the Tennessee offense. Hardesty is all-around back, who can carry, catch, and block. Great value early in the
4th round. Past injury drops his stock to the 2nd day, but he projects as a starter.

5th round-OG John Jerry- Mississippi- J.J. is an outstanding prospect who has helped make Jevan Snead a household name. He's All-Sec, 1st team and at 6'5" 350 lbs., he's got brick wall potential. He also brings versatility because he's played RT, as well. I like his upside.

5th round-C Erik Olsen-Notre Dame- Olsen is a former RG turned Center this year for Weiss' Fighting Irish. He's another on the Lomabardi best O-lineman in the country watchlist. He's considered one of the top 5 Centers in this year's draft and has done a good job on the O-Line since his sophmore year in 2007.

Once again, it's all about value and who can bring some starting potential to the team. I believe everyone of those players would easily make the team, and most likely start. Thoughts?

That's a nice draft IMO. Except I dont like the Jeff Owens pick. I'd rather replace that with WR/KR Marshawn Gilyard from Cincinnati or SS Myron Rolle from Florida St.

BigChiefFan 10-14-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6170965)
That's a nice draft IMO. Except I dont like the Jeff Owens pick. I'd rather replace that with WR/KR Marshawn Gilyard from Cincinnati or SS Myron Rolle from Florida St.

I like Myron Rolle, alot and even contemplated him in exchange, but I just believe that Owens has potential to play like a 1st rounder on the D-line and occupy some blockers freeing up the rest of the defense and improving the secondary in the process. Thank you for the kind words, BTW.

Chiefnj2 10-14-2009 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6170924)
This draft offers THREE POTENTIAL STARTING O-lineman and a pass-rusher, as well.

Sorry, but you aren't going to get 5 quality starting players out of a single draft. It rarely happens. Mocks are fun and we all think (myself included) that our 3rd and 4th round picks will be starters, but it just doesn't end up working that way.

As far as Kindle is concerned the kid only has 2 sacks so far this year and TX has had a weak ass schedule so far. He should be padding his numbers right now and he can't.

BigChiefFan 10-14-2009 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6170992)
Sorry, but you aren't going to get 5 quality starting players out of a single draft. It rarely happens. Mocks are fun and we all think (myself included) that our 3rd and 4th round picks will be starters, but it just doesn't end up working that way.

As far as Kindle is concerned the kid only has 2 sacks so far this year and TX has had a weak ass schedule so far. He should be padding his numbers right now and he can't.

That's a fair critisim on Kindle, however, you should really watch the players mentioned and see how they stand out amongst the competition before stating you don't believe we can find starters late in the draft. We easily can and I listed some of them.

salame 10-14-2009 11:55 AM

Instead of Kindle you need to look at Eric Norwood from south carolina or Ricky Sapp from clemson

Saccopoo 10-14-2009 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6170992)
Sorry, but you aren't going to get 5 quality starting players out of a single draft. It rarely happens. Mocks are fun and we all think (myself included) that our 3rd and 4th round picks will be starters, but it just doesn't end up working that way.

As far as Kindle is concerned the kid only has 2 sacks so far this year and TX has had a weak ass schedule so far. He should be padding his numbers right now and he can't.

Yep. It appears that he was taking advantage of the double teams that they were laying on Orakpo last season. He's definitely not been the backfield disruptor that he was hyped to be prior to the start of the season.

It also looks like Norwood from SC is the real deal and probably won't be there when the Chief's draft in the second round as he's most likely moved up.

I'm glad people are mentioning Myron Rolle. He's been out of football for a year with his Rhodes scholarship, but has stated that he'll enter the 2010 draft after completing his studies in England. Huge potential in terms of his athletic ability and size. Was the #1 high school prospect (ESPN), but chose school over football last year. Probably drops him a couple rounds, and if he's there in the fourth round, he's a complete steal.

RustShack 10-14-2009 11:59 AM

Turn Dez Bryant into Taylor Mays and you have yourself a deal.

BigChiefFan 10-14-2009 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by salame (Post 6171036)
Instead of Kindle you need to look at Eric Norwood from south carolina or Ricky Sapp from clemson

Ricky Sapp is rated higher than Kindle in my book, that's why I didn't take him the mock. Sapp is probably the first OLBer taken, which is likely in the first round.

salame 10-14-2009 12:02 PM

nah man Travis Lewis will be the first to go if he comes out


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