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Micjones 10-28-2009 12:23 PM

You mean there is hope?

But, but, but...
The Four Horsemen told me all was lost... What gives?

Brock 10-28-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6214714)
You mean there is hope?

But, but, but...
The Four Horsemen told me all was lost... What gives?

Sure, there's hope. There's been hope since 1960.

milkman 10-28-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6214535)
I think this is the key thing in there. Pioli didn't take this job to fit in the "six to eight" players that Herm thought we were away from competing for the playoffs, he took over this team to rip it apart and build an entirely new team from ground up, I'm guessing because he has a philosophy he believes in, he saw an owner who was going to have the patience and give him the support to do it, and he saw a team that he felt was fundamentally flawed and would never be in a position to compete for Super Bowls in the direction they were going.

Now we gotta pray that Pioli knows what he's doing, because he's basically going about this like the Chiefs are an expansion team (and, at 4-12 and 2-14, they essentially were)...

I disagree.

I thought the chiefs were headed in the right direction, they simply needed a new director.

I still believe that Tank and Turk could have been legitimate contibrutors ina 43 with Dorsey as the anchor.

I also believe that had the right "director" been hired, we would have addressed the O-Line, QB and WR in free agency and the draft.

We simply needed to tweak the philosophy on both sides of the ball and continue ot add talent.

We didn't need to blow the whole thing up.

DaWolf 10-28-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 6214698)
As Clark pointed out last week... the Donkey's were 8-8 last year, we were 2-14. No matter how big of a mess they had this off-season and the perceived lack of a Super Bowl team, they still had a fair amount more talent than we did. They plugged in some players, changed up their scheme and it worked. Apparently they weren't that far off as we all thought?

And it really depends on the outlook you take on it. There are many different ways to build an organization. You can say that Denver plugged in some holes and off they went, but if they lose in the first round again, did anything of significance really change? If we stayed the course with Herm and Carl and brought in those six to eight players that Herm thought they were away from getting back to the playoffs, only to lose in the first round again, would it really have been better?

I'm thinking (hoping) that Pioli has this philosophy on what it will take to build a Super Bowl champion, not just some team that is making the playoffs at 9-7 or 10-6, occasionally going 13-3 thanks to lucky bounces in the regular season, and losing in the first or second round, and he wants to try and build it from the ground up. Again, the jury is out, but I think that's why you see him getting rid of anyone and everyone that doesn't fit what he's looking for...

Calcountry 10-28-2009 12:34 PM

Well, it looks like I did the right thing with Sunday ticket for a second year.

B_Ambuehl 10-28-2009 02:08 PM

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Which team will turn it around in 2010? My guess is Detroit and Kansas City have the best chances because they have what appear to be strong GMs, strong coaches and quarterbacks who look like they have a chance.

Here comes Mecca, Dane, OTWP and Deez Nutz to tell us this is all BS and the organization is a total bust at this point. Blah,blah,blah.

Any negative opinion article is quoted as fact and anything resembling a positive is regarded as BS.

Except people forget this isn't the 1st year of the rebuild. Herm had already blown up the building 2 years ago and, based on whats happened on the field, this team has regressed even further. Some people are just sick and tired of seeing the same old bullshit over and over and being fed the same bill of goods. This regime is doing the same thing Herm did when he came in. Guys like DJ and Page are to Halioli what guys like Wiegmann and Dante Hall were to Herm. Some people are smart enough to realize the reasoning it's all just a bunch of hot air.

Goldmember 10-28-2009 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6214739)
And it really depends on the outlook you take on it. There are many different ways to build an organization. You can say that Denver plugged in some holes and off they went, but if they lose in the first round again, did anything of significance really change? If we stayed the course with Herm and Carl and brought in those six to eight players that Herm thought they were away from getting back to the playoffs, only to lose in the first round again, would it really have been better?

I'm thinking (hoping) that Pioli has this philosophy on what it will take to build a Super Bowl champion, not just some team that is making the playoffs at 9-7 or 10-6, occasionally going 13-3 thanks to lucky bounces in the regular season, and losing in the first or second round, and he wants to try and build it from the ground up. Again, the jury is out, but I think that's why you see him getting rid of anyone and everyone that doesn't fit what he's looking for...

The Cardinals were a 9-7 team that was one play away from a SB champion. To win one takes a lot of things happening just right along the way, some of it is luck. The best team doesn't always win. You need to get the team to a highly competitive level first, but there really isn't one true blueprint to win a SB....there are many blueprints.

DeezNutz 10-28-2009 02:10 PM

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Hoover 10-28-2009 02:23 PM

While I agree that this isn't the first year of the rebuild, it is Pioli's first year.

I don't care who was the HC or GM, when you change those positions you basically have to start over. I'm glad that the Chiefs it this way.

I hate the fact that we suck ass, I really do. However, I do see a light far off in the distance. We all thought Herm, or at least I did, was a good talent guy. I think we were wrong. How many players did we draft or sign that nobody has wanted after being cut.

The best thing the Chiefs could do is cut Larry Johnson's ass and anyone else who is a cancer to this team. Now is the time to do it.

What gives me hope is that we have a QB who I think can be the guy, a WR, and some defensive talent. We have a long way to go, but a core of players is starting to emerge.

Titty Meat 10-28-2009 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6214733)
I disagree.


I still believe that Tank and Turk could have been legitimate contibrutors ina 43 with Dorsey as the anchor.

Turk and Tank like the rest of Carls draft picks sucked dude.

Fish 10-28-2009 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6214733)
I disagree.

I thought the chiefs were headed in the right direction, they simply needed a new director.

I still believe that Tank and Turk could have been legitimate contibrutors ina 43 with Dorsey as the anchor.

I also believe that had the right "director" been hired, we would have addressed the O-Line, QB and WR in free agency and the draft.

We simply needed to tweak the philosophy on both sides of the ball and continue ot add talent.

We didn't need to blow the whole thing up.

Very well said.

Fish 10-28-2009 02:36 PM

Rebuilding was essentially restarted when they decided to go 3-4 or bust. Up until that point, most of the rebuilding efforts on D had gone into the DLine. Pioli and Haley set the rebuilding back themselves when they decided they had to switch to a 3-4.

And the youth movement was really put on a back burner too. I hate to see that. All the old guys they brought it haven't served much purpose IMO.

tonyetony 10-28-2009 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6215010)

Rainbows and Pegasus?

DeezNutz 10-28-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 6215102)
Rainbows and Pegasus?

Machismo.

tonyetony 10-28-2009 03:01 PM

I personally like the Steve Miller Band Pegasus a little more.


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