WTF? are you kidding me? No he isn't fast. But neither was/is T.O, or Fitz, or Boldin. Bowe does not have bad hands, he has technique problems catching the ball. Bowe is a beast after the catch, has the ability to win many jump balls and make the athletic grab, actually has a fire to play the game.

He doesn't have the drive to be one of the best? I guess that would explain why he trained with Fitz in the offseason, whom he considers to be the best. Because HE doesn't wanna be the best right?

And a Team that doesn't have a better WR then Bowe? Sure, lets start in our division and branch our way out:

Oakland-Dropsies anyone?
Cleavland-Masa who?
St. Louis-Avery....midget ass WR is nowhere near Bowe's talent lvl
Tampon Bay....They have...Bryant? How long has he been in the league for and what has he proven?
Washington.....No game Changers here. Just a couple of guys who have already peaked and are nowhere near as dominant
Buffalo...........T.O is done, an old version of Bowe....Evans...meh, guy hasn't produced in forever
SAN FRANCISCO-No Crabtree is not better you idiot
J-Ville
NYJ.............Edwards? Really? Dude has worse hands then Bowe
Baltimore.........Who knows when Mark Clayton will show up...and Mason...Dude is retiring, old and slow
Miami.............Gin=bust
Dallas.............How long did it take Miles Austin to come to fruition? And Williams? ****a please....

Debatable:
Tenn
Seattle..........TJ is so ****ing old for a WR, and now looks like it in Seattle too..and how long did it take him to become a star?
San Diego.......Don't you think Bowe could out grab jump balls over shorter CB's all day long to? That's all the SD WR's do.
Atlanta.........Pretty close here


Oh and lets not forget, he had Huard and Thigpen throwing slants to him all day. He spent his last two years under Herm Edwards catching slants, with no Vet Wr mentoring him. And then you wonder why he is a little behind in his Route Running. How long did it take for Fitz to blossom?

watching the bad balls huard threw at bowe then watching the bad balls cassel throws bowe is going to help

Just FYI. Crabtree has more yards, and more catches. He has played in one less game, and missed all of training camp.

And, if you every watch him, he has great technique. He makes the hard catches, but doesn't lose concentration on the easy ones.

Bowe is a middle tier WR right now. There are at least 10 other WR's I would rather have.

Now, I hope, I really HOPE that Haley can develop him. Haley has been total fail to this point... so I hope Bowe coming of age is the silver lining to the dark Haley period.

But, RIGHT NOW, he is a middle of the road WR. Yeah, he starts on most teams in the league. But, he isn't top ten.

He also has a good TE in Vernon Davis to draw attention away from him, a running game that opposing D's must respect, and an O that probably see's a lot more time on the field thanks to there D. Crabtree has a better team than Bowe. So those number may be a bit misleading.

As far as training camp goes, that argument is void. Bowe hardly got to develop chemistry with Cassel thanks to Haley, and we threw everything they worked on during camp out the door the week before the season started.

Im willing to bet Bowe sees a lot more double teams then Crabtree does. This Browns game should be a bit more telling now that Bowe has Chambers opposite of him, hopefully reducing the attention that Bowe gets from the D. Either that, or Bowe will get that attention still, and Chambers will hopefully start putting up the numbers like when he first arrived here. Wishful thinking, i know.

Im not saying Crabtree is bad, but i still think Bowe is better.

Oh, and i agree that Crabtree has better hands right now, but Bowe is a physical speciman that Crabtree is not. Bowe's hands will improve, but Crabtree isn't getting any taller and doesn't have the frame to pack on the mass that Bowe does.

It'll be interesting to see what happens Sunday. Maybe the turnover explosion is a coincidence. Maybe it's not.

Progress note? Eh, more like final exam for Gimpy McNoodle-Arm. Bad game = please leave.
If you can't engineer this, you can't engineer period.

Pack on the mass? Bowe is large enough. We have seen as good as Bowe will ever be already. I wish it wasn't true but that's the way it is. Slow, bad route runner and catches like shit. Top 10? He's not even top 20 in the league.

Chemistry? Didn't seem to bother Favre. Bowe does not get open. That's his problem. easily covered.

Cassel is not Favre. Not even close. Not even in a drug-induced, "Jim Morrison in the desert"- trip.

The FAIL. Dear God the FAIL. Oh sweet merciful Tebow the FAIL on your part.

really dude? I agree, he's probably not top 5, maybe not top ten. He has the potential to be top ten. Not Top 20? Give me a break dude.

How can you tell me that a player, in his 3rd year, in his 3rd scheme, with his 4th QB, has maxed his potential? Route running comes with time. Comes natural in some players, some have to polish it. But it can be done. Speed, yeah, he's not getting that. I agree with you there. His hands are also something he could work at. He is not a Natural pass catcher, but his technique can be refined. T.O has stone hands. But he turned into a star, now didn't he?

so? Who are you're top 20 WR's that rank among Bowe?

So Nostradamus, does 2012 happen? When will the chiefs get to the playoffs? How many rings does sam bradford end up with?

The Chiefs have onely won 9 games since hes been in KC.

Why would he make a difference now??

Crabtree doesn't have the worst starting QB in the league throwing to him. Bowe does. Cassel couldn't hit water falling out of a boat.

I want what you're smoking. Guy averaged 1000 yards his first two years. 3rd year he gets suspended and has no real QB throwing to him and hes past his prime. :shake: