He was GM of the Raiders and Browns, so I guess he does know a lot about bad football......:thumb:

That's nice and all but we're not a better team not by any stretch of the imagination.

Holy Christ.

You're asking for civility, when the HC of an NFL team flips a fan the finger because he said he should be fired?

No cursing, no insults, nothing.

"You deserve to be fired' does not deserve getting flipped the bird.

I sat in George's seats last year, and I heard people saying MUCH worse things to players and coaches, and not one of them flipped off the crowd.

It was a complete overreaction on Haley's part, and is as unprofessional as it gets.

I guess you defended Michael Vick when he flipped off the fans as well?

Absolutely, I'm asking for civility. He started it, he should not cry like a little girl if he gets a negative reaction. Apparently he can dish it out but he can't take it.

And I'm not defending anyone, I'm criticizing George for acting childish.

Context comprehension fail...

This is what I don't get. Find in this post exactly where he was crying like a little girl.

Not once did I hear him bitch that Haley gave him the finger. Not once did I hear how Haley had wronged him and that Haley deserved to give him an apology.

So you know what.....**** you and **** every person who thinks that George is in the wrong.

Started what?

He called him a jackass?

Called his mother a whore?

Told him to **** off?

Nope. None of those.

He simply said, "You deserve to be fired."

Todd would apparently never make it in Philly, New York, etc.

He would have heard worse than that during training camp.


And personally, George could have told him that his wife is a fat whore, and as the HC of an NFL team, he still is expected to act like a professional and ignore it, not confront it.

To be fair I do remember seeing on the news how Brian Waters got into it with fans. Pioli should trade him anyway.

You're exactly right. We are WORSE than last year despite the better record. I'd also like to add that many hear, myelf included, figured that Haley would be responsible for at least 2 more wins this season. That has not happened. In fact, his coaching might even have cost us a couple.

Would you walk up to someone you work with and say "You deserve to be fired"? I wouldn't. It is rude and uncivil.

Depends. Do I pay a portion of their salary?

My coworkers don't make millions of dollars to coach a ****ing game. It's not the same thing.

Well, that analogy couldn't be more baseless.

George doesn't work for Haley. Or with him. He actually helps pay his salary. He's a paying customer. Has been for FIFTY YEARS.

Wanna guess what would happen if a customer of mine told me I deserved to be fired, and I flipped off that customer?

I'd be fired.

I think they both handled themselves fine. George expressed his opinion that Haley should be fired (which I'm beginning to agree with) and Haley flipped him off. George reported it with no drama. Sounds like a fairly cordial exchange of opinions to me...

My dad was a season ticket holder throughout the '70s. He wouldn't have dreamed of saying that to a coach. people weren't like that then.

I'm decrying the lack of civility we have today, where it is not only considered acceptable, but applauded. I find that offensive. Sorry if I'm old fashioned.