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TigerPig 01-04-2010 12:33 PM

The only thing Whitlock should put his faith in is Nutrisystem.

And I seriously hope we don't overuse Charles in compensation for the rest of our team.

Christofire 01-04-2010 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6407501)
Placing glass ceilings on talented players because you jump to a quick conclusion is how you wind with your team MVP in street clothes in week two.

Not always a fan of Whitlock but it's a pretty good article. The quote above is a good message, but let's not forget that Charles earned some of that time off the field/on the bench himself by being a fumbler early on in the season. For this coaching staff, it wasn't a matter of talent -- it was a matter of trust.

That said, glad to see that he's manned up, and we're giving him the ball and getting the hell out of the way.

OnTheWarpath15 01-04-2010 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Christofire (Post 6408274)
Not always a fan of Whitlock but it's a pretty good article. The quote above is a good message, but let's not forget that Charles earned some of that time off the field/on the bench himself by being a fumbler early on in the season. For this coaching staff, it wasn't a matter of talent -- it was a matter of trust.

That said, glad to see that he's manned up, and we're giving him the ball and getting the hell out of the way.

Damn, people.

He fumbled ONCE in the first 11 weeks of the season.

ONCE.

I have no idea where this myth started, or why people choose to continue believing it when facts are presented that prove it's false.

http://www.nfl.com/players/jamaalcha...s?id=CHA561428

Christofire 01-04-2010 12:42 PM

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Before Charles, the Chiefs had the worst offensive line in football. The unit couldn’t open holes for Larry Johnson and couldn’t protect quarterback Matt Cassel. A blind man could see that Branden Albert, Brian Waters and Rudy Niswanger were awful and the right side of KC’s line was a bad joke.
Hmm... just noticed this: He even threw Brian Waters under the bus. Surprising.

FAX 01-04-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6408291)
Damn, people.

He fumbled ONCE in the first 11 weeks of the season.

ONCE.

I have no idea where this myth started, or why people choose to continue believing it when facts are presented that prove it's false.

http://www.nfl.com/players/jamaalcha...s?id=CHA561428

I posted in the other thread (you know, the one where we were discussing this, Mr. OnTheWarpath58) one possible "source" of the "myth".

Apparently, Charles had what was considered to be a significant fumbling problem in college. That would explain why he was branded with this reputation.

FAX

Christofire 01-04-2010 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6408291)
Damn, people.

He fumbled ONCE in the first 11 weeks of the season.

ONCE.

I have no idea where this myth started, or why people choose to continue believing it when facts are presented that prove it's false.

http://www.nfl.com/players/jamaalcha...s?id=CHA561428

I'm encompassing training camp/pre-season, too.

FAX 01-04-2010 12:46 PM

Charles is in charge, that's for sure.

From time to time, you get the bear and, in this case, fortune has smiled on us. As do a lot of people, I have concerns about his durability. The guy's shoulder pops out 10 times a game. He's fun as hell to watch, though. I love those 50 yard touchdown runs.

FAX

TigerPig 01-04-2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Christofire (Post 6408305)
I'm encompassing training camp/pre-season, too.

"We're talking about...practice... Not a game... Practice..."

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OnTheWarpath15 01-04-2010 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christofire (Post 6408305)
I'm encompassing training camp/pre-season, too.

Great. Games that don't count being used to perpetuate a myth. Cool.

Oh, wait. He only fumbled ONCE in the preseason?

So, two fumbles in the first 15 weeks of the season?

OnTheWarpath15 01-04-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6408300)
I posted in the other thread (you know, the one where we were discussing this, Mr. OnTheWarpath58) one possible "source" of the "myth".

Apparently, Charles had what was considered to be a significant fumbling problem in college. That would explain why he was branded with this reputation.

FAX

Well, Mr. FAX, college ball and the NFL are a different animal.

What's he's done in college has no bearing on what he's done in the league.

And again, this is directed more at the folks that keep claiming this supposed "early season fumbling problem" is the reason why he was inactive for a game, and buried on the depth chart.

Christofire 01-04-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6408321)
Great. Games that don't count being used to perpetuate a myth. Cool.

Oh, wait. He only fumbled ONCE in the preseason?

So, two fumbles in the first 15 weeks of the season?

Calm down a little bit. You're not listening.

My point was this: Training camp and pre-season is what builds trust early in the season. Charles fumbled once (out of only four carries) against Minny in the pre-season. He only had 15 carries the entire preseason. It's logical to say that it hurt his chances of playing.

OnTheWarpath15 01-04-2010 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Christofire (Post 6408340)
Calm down a little bit. You're not listening.

My point was this: Training camp and pre-season is what builds trust early in the season. Charles fumbled once (out of only four carries) against Minny in the pre-season. He only had 15 carries the entire preseason. It's logical to say that it hurt his chances of playing.

Whatever you say.

Keep moving those goalposts.

Christofire 01-04-2010 12:54 PM

When did I change the message?

Christofire 01-04-2010 12:58 PM

I'm not trying to vilify Charles here, but I'm also noticing that you're now ignoring that he fumbled 3 times in 4 weeks vs. SD, Den and Cleveland.

Christofire 01-04-2010 12:59 PM

Here's my final say: Charles is awesome. I want him to play for us for a long time. All I'm saying is let's not pretend it was just the coaching staff that kept him from playing. He had to prove he could play, which he has done. Good for all of us. Go Chiefs.


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