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AustinChief 01-21-2010 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6467048)
If we're picking top 10 next year we better be picking AJ Green or Julio Jones.

Even if Albert plays like absolute crap? you'd still take a WR?
Same goes for Cassel... if he plays even worse than this year... you wouldn't take a QB?

If so, that is just ridiculous.

Mecca 01-21-2010 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6467056)
I remember when these guys came out of H.S. Both were incredible athletes and I couldn't pick which one would have the better college career. Both have problems, but if we draft Tate or another top 5 WR this year I don't know if Jones or Green will be a must.

I'd rather not take a WR with a high pick this year, the top 3 guys for next year smoke all of the WR's in this class.

Also the idea that Golden Tate, who's probably an ideal slot WR would keep you from taking Jones or Green who look like superstars would make me slap you.

Mecca 01-21-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6467060)
Even if Albert plays like absolute crap? you'd still take a WR?
Same goes for Cassel... if he plays even worse than this year... you wouldn't take a QB?

If so, that is just ridiculous.

I don't pass on stars period, if you go back to 2007 as an example, the first 3 picks were Russel, Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas. I'd take Johnson every time, he'd have gone 1st overall if I was picking.

KCrockaholic 01-21-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6467062)
I'd rather not take a WR with a high pick this year, the top 3 guys for next year smoke all of the WR's in this class.

Also the idea that Golden Tate, who's probably an ideal slot WR would keep you from taking Jones or Green who look like superstars would make me slap you.

Well if we have Bowe, and Tate I am sure we would have more important needs than to go WR again with a top pick. Our defense will still need pieces to the puzzle.

Mecca 01-21-2010 06:24 PM

You don't pass on superstars because of need...

AustinChief 01-21-2010 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6467062)
I'd rather not take a WR with a high pick this year, the top 3 guys for next year smoke all of the WR's in this class.

Also the idea that Golden Tate, who's probably an ideal slot WR would keep you from taking Jones or Green who look like superstars would make me slap you.

Who is your #3 in 2011? Terrance Toliver?

AustinChief 01-21-2010 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6467067)
I don't pass on stars period, if you go back to 2007 as an example, the first 3 picks were Russel, Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas. I'd take Johnson every time, he'd have gone 1st overall if I was picking.

so if we NEED a QB, you still take Jones over the top QB in 2011... I am assuming you must not think there is gonna be a superstar QB in that class? (I would disagree)

OR is this simply referring to taking OT (a position you don't seem to value very much)

Mecca 01-21-2010 06:28 PM

Michael Floyd.

Although Tolliver factors into the class which is why it's exceptionally strong following this years weak WR class.

This is why last years draft sucked so hard. Last years draft was offensively heavy, especially on the OL, we take 2 defensive linemen. This years class is very strong on defense.

Not playing to the strengths of a draft can kill you.

KCrockaholic 01-21-2010 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6467071)
You don't pass on superstars because of need...

Those guys aren't the "superstars" your making them out to be. They have all the height, speed, and jumping ability you can ask for, but Jones especially has some pretty bad hands.

I would take Toliver over both Jones and Green at this point.

Mecca 01-21-2010 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6467078)
so if we NEED a QB, you still take Jones over the top QB in 2011... I am assuming you must not think there is gonna be a superstar QB in that class? (I would disagree)

OR is this simply referring to taking OT (a position you don't seem to value very much)

I would very rarely take an OT with a top 5 pick, 6 and on yea, and if I already had a first rounder there I'd have to be picking below 15 to do it.

We'll see on those QB's, it's of course all heavy projection. Locker and Mallet to me are raw guys who need serious coaching. It's why some people pimped Sanchez so hard, he'd be the #1 pick this year and probably next year too.

Some of these guys are talented but being that raw can be very problematic, Ryan Mallet could be JaMarcus Russell in the snap of a finger.

Mecca 01-21-2010 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6467080)
Those guys aren't the "superstars" your making them out to be. They have all the height, speed, and jumping ability you can ask for, but Jones especially has some pretty bad hands.

I would take Toliver over both Jones and Green at this point.

In that case I think you are high.

AustinChief 01-21-2010 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6467081)
I would very rarely take an OT with a top 5 pick, 6 and on yea, and if I already had a first rounder there I'd have to be picking below 15 to do it.

We'll see on those QB's, it's of course all heavy projection. Locker and Mallet to me are raw guys who need serious coaching. It's why some people pimped Sanchez so hard, he'd be the #1 pick this year and probably next year too.

Some of these guys are talented but being that raw can be very problematic, Ryan Mallet could be JaMarcus Russell in the snap of a finger.

True, but he could also be a badass QB if coached up a bit... so, yes, it is based on alot of "what ifs" at this point.

KCrockaholic 01-21-2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6467082)
In that case I think you are high.

Possibly.

I guess I just need to see Green and Jones again next year and make a futher observation.

These guys are special, I won't deny that. But I will refuse to put them in a class like Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, or Andre Johnson.

I don't see any of those players in Green or Jones other than size.

Mecca 01-21-2010 06:58 PM

Larry Fitzgerald wasn't Larry Fitzgerald during this process because he kept running 4.5's.

Calvin was always elite, Andre was too other than he had an issue dropping balls.

DeezNutz 01-21-2010 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6467081)
We'll see on those QB's, it's of course all heavy projection. Locker and Mallet to me are raw guys who need serious coaching. It's why some people pimped Sanchez so hard, he'd be the #1 pick this year and probably next year too.

Some of these guys are talented but being that raw can be very problematic, Ryan Mallet could be JaMarcus Russell in the snap of a finger.

Uh...Gabbert. Hello?

If he declares and is available when we pick, the Chiefs would be incredibly stupid to pass on that type of talent.


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