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'Hamas' Jenkins 02-20-2010 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 6547280)
If somehow it could be proven to you that he was the next DeMarcus Ware, would anybody have trouble drafting him at #5?
If he was the next DeMarcus Ware, you take him at #1.

AustinChief 02-20-2010 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6547523)
If he was the next DeMarcus Ware, you take him at #1.
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Agreed, but even I don't think THAT highly of him. If he slpis out of the top 20 I would SERIOUSLY look into trading up for him.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-20-2010 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6547773)
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Agreed, but even I don't think THAT highly of him. If he slpis out of the top 20 I would SERIOUSLY look into trading up for him.
Yeah, but the question posed was if you knew he was the next Ware, what do you do.

BossChief 02-20-2010 07:21 PM
FTR I dont really care too much about front seven players 40 time (with the exception of ILBs that are required to cover backs and tight ends). If he is running the 40 in a real game they just gave up a TD and it doesnt really matter. I want guys that have great agility, strength and are smart in real games, save the 40 for the guys in the secondary where the drill is something that directly relates.

AustinChief 02-20-2010 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6547781)
Yeah, but the question posed was if you knew he was the next Ware, what do you do.
Oh I know, I was just pointing out that even I(his biggest fanboy) don't think he is in that class... but agreed if somehow you KNEW that.. he goes #1 in a hearbeat.

chiefzilla1501 02-20-2010 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6546287)
You think there is a correlation between 40 speed and how a OLB/DE tweener will do in the NFL?

Cushing ran a 4.79, Matthews a 4.67 and Everette Brown a 4.73 last year. Suggs ran a disappointing 40 from what I recall as well. Ware ran a 4.65 at the combine.
It's not a perfect predictor, but a 3-4 OLB is responsible for covering a lot of ground in the outside run game and they have to have the fluid hips to do well in coverage assignments, particularly in guarding the flats. So yes, it's a very, very nice luxury to have a guy who can absolutely fly.

Especially in a Crennel 3-4, where your DE isn't asked to make plays and depends on your LB to be the main guardian of the outside shit, speed is a really nice thing to have. Your other examples are different. In Baltimore and especially Dallas, D-linemen are allowed to do more to assist the OLB.

Saccopoo 02-20-2010 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6547773)
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Agreed, but even I don't think THAT highly of him. If he slpis out of the top 20 I would SERIOUSLY look into trading up for him.
Even with Kindle and Hughes still on the board? Or a guy like Ricky Sapp?

I don't think that the Chiefs can afford to give up picks to move up and I'd be interested in your views about the scenario of Graham still available at, say, 20, but Kindle and Hughes and Sapp are still on the board.

I watched Hughes a lot the past several seasons, being we get a lot of TCU games here (conference), and I don't know if Graham offers you anything above and beyond what Hughes does. Pretty comparable players, but I admit not watching many Michigan games the past couple of seasons.

Kindle looks like the more complete player for a 3-4 OLB in terms of being able to play either side effectively than either Hughes or Graham.

I just don't think that in that scenario that a trade up would be prudent, but I would love to hear your take on it.

milkman 02-20-2010 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6548155)
I don't think that the Chiefs can afford to give up picks to move up
This is one thing we can agree on wholeheartedly.

fact is, it wouldn't bother me any to see the Chiefs use that high second rounder trade down to later in the second an get another pick.

This draft is deep, and there are a lot of guys going later in the draft that could help this team.

Sfeihc 02-21-2010 09:14 AM
**** it! Take him at 5, Pioli! Book it!

BossChief 02-21-2010 03:00 PM
I can say unequivocally that I would much rather draft Graham at 5 than ANY OL in this class there.

AustinChief 02-21-2010 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6548155)
Even with Kindle and Hughes still on the board? Or a guy like Ricky Sapp?

I don't think that the Chiefs can afford to give up picks to move up and I'd be interested in your views about the scenario of Graham still available at, say, 20, but Kindle and Hughes and Sapp are still on the board.

I watched Hughes a lot the past several seasons, being we get a lot of TCU games here (conference), and I don't know if Graham offers you anything above and beyond what Hughes does. Pretty comparable players, but I admit not watching many Michigan games the past couple of seasons.

Kindle looks like the more complete player for a 3-4 OLB in terms of being able to play either side effectively than either Hughes or Graham.

I just don't think that in that scenario that a trade up would be prudent, but I would love to hear your take on it.
Hughes and Graham are completely different types of OLBs, you are right in that Kindle could play both sides. I would be hard pressed to take Graham over Kindle... but right now (precombine) I would take Graham over Hughes in a heartbeat. Graham is a LB that played DE in college. Hughes is a RB that played DE in college... vastly different learning curve when they arrive in the NFL.

Sapp? Not a huge fan, but I haven't studied him as much as the other three so no comment there.

It's pretty academic because a) he isn't likely to slip past 20 and B) even if he did, I don't see us trading a pick to move up unless Pioli sees as much value in him as I do.

AustinChief 02-21-2010 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6548181)
This is one thing we can agree on wholeheartedly.

fact is, it wouldn't bother me any to see the Chiefs use that high second rounder trade down to later in the second an get another pick.

This draft is deep, and there are a lot of guys going later in the draft that could help this team.
I simply don't trust the Chiefs enough yet to say more picks is better... I would rather get "safe" bets like Berry and Graham then 4 reaches or projects.

This goes against my general principles when it comes to the draft... but as I said ... until I trust the Chiefs to draft well, more picks = more scrubs to cut in training camp. Although it can also be argued that if they are COMPLETELY clueless than more picks means they are likely to get a few keepers just by random chance....

Lemme mull this over some more...

milkman 02-21-2010 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6549311)
I simply don't trust the Chiefs enough yet to say more picks is better... I would rather get "safe" bets like Berry and Graham then 4 reaches or projects.

This goes against my general principles when it comes to the draft... but as I said ... until I trust the Chiefs to draft well, more picks = more scrubs to cut in training camp. Although it can also be argued that if they are COMPLETELY clueless than more picks means they are likely to get a few keepers just by random chance....

Lemme mull this over some more...
I think, in watching him play last preseason, they hit on a keeper just by random chance in Colin Brown.

They screwed up by drafting him, thinking he was a RT prospect, but he appears to be a solid guard prospect.

Of course, they had to wait till TC to figure out he didn't have the tools to play RT before moving him.

RustShack 02-21-2010 06:25 PM
And all the flack I took last year for saying he was an OG instead of a RT.. even by you at the time.

milkman 02-21-2010 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6549472)
And all the flack I took last year for saying he was an OG instead of a RT.. even by you at the time.
Me?

What the hell are you talking about?

I was pissed about the selection.


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