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RealSNR 02-25-2010 11:48 AM

Something else to consider:

According to Hamas's definition, Tim Tebow is clearly a dickhead. But can a QB be so dickheadish that he becomes a douchebag? Because he's hated like a douchebag, but acts like a dickhead. Something doesn't make sense.

Danman 02-25-2010 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6557627)
Honestly.....I get more upset if my QB doesn't get on his WRs for dropping the ball or he doesn't get on the offensive lineman who misses their assignment.

Lenny the cool had THE LOOK. Talk to any of his teammates and they all tell you Dawson didn't yell at you when you messed up, but that look would burn right through to your soul.

RealSNR 02-25-2010 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Danman (Post 6557982)
Lenny the cool had THE LOOK. Talk to any of his teammates and they all tell you Dawson didn't yell at you when you messed up, but that look would burn right through to your soul.

Jimmy Clausen is ugly enough to burn through one's soul if you look directly at him. He might have THE LOOK.

Fish 02-25-2010 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6557654)
I think it's leadership that makes the difference, although how or why someone is a "leader" isn't so much a tangible thing. George, Cutler and Leaf were/all are basically flakes whose teammates wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire, whereas Marino, Manning and Brady were/are clearly "the man" on their teams. I think it has to do with the ability to drive the people around them to a higher level of play. Maybe they're dickheads for the sake of the team, whereas the other guys were dickheads into themselves? Maybe it's how they try to get their points across? Hell if I know, but I think leadership is the difference.

This is definitely it for me. I don't care whether the guy has a solid gold statue of himself in his house that he masturbates to daily. If he can take control of the offense and lead the others around him despite the situation, then that's your guy. If he has the kind of leadership that makes others better, instead of relying on surrounding talent, that's your guy. If he expects and receives professional respect from his fellow players and his coaches, that's your guy. And the last one is probably the most important.

This may be off, but I see the same kind of "on the field" leadership from Jimmy that I see in P. Manning. Taking command instead of just contributing. The confident attitude of "I know WTF I'm doing, let's move this shit down the field, don't screw it up." When he's rolling out of the pocket, you can see the determination as he signals receivers around the field. "NO, get your ass RIGHT THERE!" kind of stuff, while on the move avoiding pressure. Knowing and reading the defenses, and coordinating the WRs to take advantage of that even after the play has started. The ability to roll away from a sack, and not be shaken in the slightest, and keep your decisions quick and confident. That takes serious concentration and confidence, and the great ones make it look simple. I see a bit of that in Jimmy. It never seems like too much for him.

The Bad Guy 02-25-2010 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6557810)
That's Matt Cassel.

It's gotten to the point that everything you say about any QB should be taken with about the biggest ****ing grain of salt ever.

According to you a few months ago, Cassel would yell at teammates and he was too big of a hothead to play the position (whatever the ****ing hell that means).

Now, he sulks on the sidelines.

Which is it?

I'm no Cassel fan, but your inconsistency is ridiculous. If you hate the guy, just come out and say you ****ing hate him instead of trying to analyze something you obviously have no ****ing clue about what you're talking about.

The Franchise 02-25-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6558069)
This is definitely it for me. I don't care whether the guy has a solid gold statue of himself in his house that he masturbates to daily. If he can take control of the offense and lead the others around him despite the situation, then that's your guy. If he has the kind of leadership that makes others better, instead of relying on surrounding talent, that's your guy. If he expects and receives professional respect from his fellow players and his coaches, that's your guy. And the last one is probably the most important.

This may be off, but I see the same kind of "on the field" leadership from Jimmy that I see in P. Manning. Taking command instead of just contributing. The confident attitude of "I know WTF I'm doing, let's move this shit down the field, don't screw it up." When he's rolling out of the pocket, you can see the determination as he signals receivers around the field. "NO, get your ass RIGHT THERE!" kind of stuff, while on the move avoiding pressure. Knowing and reading the defenses, and coordinating the WRs to take advantage of that even after the play has started. The ability to roll away from a sack, and not be shaken in the slightest, and keep your decisions quick and confident. That takes serious concentration and confidence, and the great ones make it look simple. I see a bit of that in Jimmy. It never seems like too much for him.

This.

The guy came BACK into the game during the Purdue game last year and drove the team down the field to win the game......AFTER he was knocked out with an injury. The guy wants to win.....and I can't fault him for it.

KCrockaholic 02-25-2010 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6557941)
Refusing to play for the team that drafted you seems like a douchebag move.

Elway should be in the douchebag list along with Eli Manning. I don't know how you really decide if a guy is a douchebag or dickhead? Some guys are so close to being both.

KCrockaholic 02-25-2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6558101)
This.

The guy came BACK into the game during the Purdue game last year and drove the team down the field to win the game......AFTER he was knocked out with an injury. The guy wants to win.....and I can't fault him for it.

This statement sounds a lot like your talking about Matt Stafford last year...

DeezNutz 02-25-2010 12:34 PM

It's more than results, but it's something that we absolutely can't know for sure without being in the locker room.

Dude can be a great guy off the field, humble, funny, smart, witty, etc. but a demanding mother****er on it who doesn't take any shit and thinks his own shit doesn't stink.

It's when you are able to combine these two conflicting personalities that you have "it." Tough for Joe fan to be able to recognize "it" for sure.

The Bad Guy 02-25-2010 12:34 PM

Clausen is a tough son of a bitch. That's for sure. To play all year with turf toe is remarkable. He took a beating behind that line too.

Otter 02-25-2010 01:06 PM

Jake Locker is seeming like a very solid pick at this point. The thing about him is that he's so good (assuming he remains as highly valued) we would probably need top 3 draft pick to grab him.

The Franchise 02-25-2010 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 6558190)
Jake Locker is seeming like a very solid pick at this point. The thing about him is that he's so good (assuming he remains as highly valued) we would probably need top 3 draft pick to grab him.

I would much rather draft Clausen this year and then get one of the top 3 WRs next year.

Otter 02-25-2010 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6558201)
I would much rather draft Clausen this year and then get one of the top 3 WRs next year.

If Clausen drops to Chiefs I think it would be stupid for them not to pick him up. But it also wouldn't surprise me in the lease if they didn't.

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-25-2010 02:01 PM

Just think if we draft a dickhead ,he'll be playing for an asshole. So it just might work.

ToxSocks 02-25-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 6558297)
If Clausen drops to Chiefs I think it would be stupid for them not to pick him up. But it also wouldn't surprise me in the lease if they didn't.

Isn't it sad when you get surprised when they actually draft a GOOD player? My mind is already set they will be drafting Buluga. Im already over it. I'll be hella excited if they draft a Berry/Claussen/McClain/Haden....But I doubt it.


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