Mays and Carroll is more fun though cause they're in the same division.

It's pretty simple, people. Carroll has spent the past decade coaching at USC. My God, I'd HOPE he'd know this draft well; he gameplanned against many of the players. This is probably the best draft he'll ever have, due to that familiarity.

two of carrols better moves came through trades, albeit one of them was a former trojan.

Damn Seattle had an awesome draft

I think it would be wise for teams to hire college football coaches as draft consultants. I'd do it.

Taylor Mays and Pat Willis are on the same defense...there's some freakyness to that.

carrol could be wrong on one main spot, that could ruin his whole genius status . . .


charlie whitehurst, he gave a lot for that guy to back up hasselback

The Patriots' draft yesterday turned into "The University of Florida, Northeast Branch" because Belichick is buddies with Urban Meyer so he knows Meyer's kids and took his advice on them.

Why is NE obsessed with tight ends?

Maybe that's why your drafts have sucked for the last 5 years.

ya, florida prospects havent all panned out that great. harvin did alright last year though

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumb:

Or maybe they sucked because Pioli was helping to do them. :D

And he hasn't been taking Florida players.

I'd also disagree that they've "sucked for the last 5 years". Last year's was pretty damn good. '08 was okay, but '07 blew chunks. Decent players, IMO, in bold. Unknowns italicized (injuries).

2009 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 34 Pat Chung DB Oregon
2 40 Ron Brace DT Boston College
2 41 Darius Butler DB Connecticut
2 58 Sebastian Vollmer T Houston
3 83 Brandon Tate WR North Carolina
3 97 Tyrone McKenzie OLB South Florida
4 123 Rich Ohrnberger G Penn State
5 170 George Bussey T Louisville
6 198 Jake Ingram C Hawaii
6 199 Stryker Sulak DE Missouri
6 207 Myron Pryor DT Kentucky
7 232 Julian Edelman WR Kent State
7 234 Darryl Richard DT Georgia Tech

2008 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 10 Jerod Mayo ILB Tennessee
2 62 Terrence Wheatley CB Colorado
3 78 Shawn Crable OLB Michigan
3 94 Kevin O'Connell QB San Diego State
4 129 Jonathan Wilhite CB Auburn
5 153 Matt Slater WR UCLA
6 197 Bo Ruud LB Nebraska

2007 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
4 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (Fla.)
5 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State
6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist
6 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame
6 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut State
6 209 Corey Hilliard OT Oklahoma State
7 211 Oscar Lua LB USC
7 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa

2006 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
2 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida
3 86 David Thomas TE Texas
4 106 Garrett Mills RB Tulsa
4 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis
5 136 Ryan O'Callaghan T California
6 191 Jeremy Mincey LB Florida
6 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame
6 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska
7 229 Willie Andrews CB Baylor

2005 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
3 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
4 133 James Sanders SAF Fresno State
5 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas
7 230 Matt Cassel QB USC
7 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn

But I have no desire to turn this into a Patriots draft debate thread, nor do I think you or anyone really gives a shit. You just said it to try to get a rise out of me, because you're kind of a dick. That's okay, though. My team has won 107 games in the past 9 seasons, so they must be doing just fine without your input or opinion of their methods.

How he drafted has nothing to do with how he coaches.

When he was a coach with the Patriots and Jets, he sucked balls because he tried to be their buddies. He couldn't handle dealing with grown men who got paid big money. Carroll's methods worked better with college kids. Whether or not he's learned anything (in terms of how to deal with NFL players) remains to be seen.

Terrence Wheatley and Johnathan Wilhite are abominations lol.