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salame 07-30-2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jiveturkey (Post 6907329)
I have no doubts that our crime rate is higher. And downtown travel has increased dramatically downtown over the last 5 years or so because of the condo boom and P&L.

I'm arguing that even as the city has changed the crime has stayed primarily where it's always been. I don't believe that light rail would have much of an affect. Crime works best when you have a get away that doesn't involve standing around waiting for a the next train.

he is just saying that more people generally = more opportunity for problems

DaKCMan AP 07-30-2010 11:54 AM

Hmm.. I pay rent on par with DC & NY.

jiveturkey 07-30-2010 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by salame (Post 6907345)
he is just saying that more people generally = more opportunity for problems

And I'm saying that there have been more people down there over the last couple of years and crime hasn't gone up. I've actually heard that it's gone down (nothing to actually back this up though).

ChiefsCountry 07-30-2010 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6907177)
I don't live in KC, so I don't know. What I do know is that violent crime in the city of Kansas City, MO is more than the national average per capita according to the FBI. If traffic were to increase even by 25% in the downtown area, I'd expect crime to rise as well because light rail would make it easier for the "criminal element" to get downtown as well.

Majority of that crime is located in one area of the city. Around Paseo and Troost. I feel safer in downtown Kansas City at night than I do in St. Louis or Dallas or New Orelans.
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sedated 07-30-2010 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6907121)
They will, however, need to beef up their police force considerably because the crime is already exceeds the national average. If people from the 'burbs park and ride to the P&L or other parts of downtown without worrying about a DUI, the traffic there would increase exponentially, which also opens the door even further to the criminal elements.

they need to take the cops from the cities in johnson county and move them to KCMO. While the crime in KCMO is some of the highest in the country, Lenexa/Shawnee/OP/Leawood/Merriam/etc cops just drive around in circles with nothing more to do than look for high school parties to bust and give speeding tickets to the soccer moms.

sedated 07-30-2010 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 6907089)
I really don't see what is wrong w/ KC for a young person. I really don't see how Chicago is much better than KC aside for the fact of being bigger and more expensive.

spoken like someone who has never left KC.

DaKCMan AP 07-30-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 6907089)
I really don't see how Chicago is much better than KC aside for the fact of being bigger and more expensive.

:LOL:

Hootie 07-30-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 6907411)
spoken like someone who has never left KC.

I lived in Chicago for a year and I grew up in KC...

I would MUCH rather live in KC than Chicago...

KC is so much less expensive and really almost as fun...

KC doesn't have the same sports scene...but at least I don't have to spend $6 for a bottle of Bud Light if I want to go to a downtown bar.

DaKCMan AP 07-30-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6907418)
I lived in Chicago for a year and I grew up in KC...

I would MUCH rather live in KC than Chicago...

KC is so much less expensive and really almost as fun...

KC doesn't have the same sports scene...but at least I don't have to spend $6 for a bottle of Bud Light if I want to go to a downtown bar.

KC isn't even close to the sports scene, cultural offerings, or nightlife afforded in Chicago. Further, Chicago has a much higher number of young people & a higher % of young people.

Slayer Diablo 07-30-2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kchero (Post 6906833)


Charlotte, N.C.
Charlotte has seen explosive growth over the last 20 years, and is now the second-largest banking center in the country (after New York). The city took it on the chin in the 2008-2009 meltdown, but it should offer lots of entry-level jobs for college graduates as the financial sector recovers. Despite the towering new skyscrapers, and a vibrant Uptown district, it's still possible to live comfortably here on a tight budget.

PROS: A cost of living that skews well below the national average, reasonable rents, a bustling downtown still being developed, high-paying advancement opportunities in the financial sector

CONS: Hot, humid summers, smog alerts, high (but falling) crime rates, you'll need a car (average commute lasts 24 minutes)


Seriously?!!?! I wasn't going to comment on cities I haven't been to, but...ok, this will be the only one. And mostly because they put all the reasons against Charlotte, NC right here...a "still being developed" downtown that already takes--on average--24 minutes to reach isn't a pro, it's a con. And bustling? KC bustles, and it's still mediocre at best. I can see Charlotte being on the list for low costs, but it needs to be much lower.


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Chicago, Ill.
Chicago is an exceptional value in big-city living, packing the cultural punch of Manhattan at nearly half the cost. Its lakefront district, with beaches, parks, a zoo and several museums, is a model for other waterfront cities. There are great sports teams, theater companies, and music festivals. And it's the home of the deep-dish pizza. The jobless rate is higher than the national average, but the Windy City's financial sector is thriving and promises more entry-level jobs in the future.

PROS: Low cost of living for a major city, cheap and widely available rentals, an efficient and user-friendly public transportation system, high-paying jobs in business and finance, great nightlife and entertainment venues

CONS: Extreme winter weather, high crime rate, and it's a long car drive to other major cities
Chicago truly is an amazing city, and I'd say the only reason it takes second to another city--which I guess might be Austin--is the high unemployment rate. Once they get that fixed, it's hands-down top of the deck. The first time I went, another person in my group shouted "It's so cute...like a little New York!"

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Kansas City, Mo.
It may not have the big-city buzz of a Chicago or Houston, but KCMO is on its way up. The "Paris of the Plains" is in the midst of a $9 billion downtown development project, which will create a swath of new condos, apartments, offices, bars and restaurants- many of them targeted to young professionals. Unemployment and cost of living are low here as well, and job prospects are promising. Six Fortune 1000 companies call Kansas City home.

PROS: Below-average rents, low cost of living, money and momentum behind future development, innovative jobs in business, research and technology. The average commute is only 21 minutes.

CONS: Mediocre nightlife and limited cultural offerings (at least until the downtown development is finished), high crime rate, poor public transportation (though a light rail is under construction)
With or without taking Charlotte out and having KC as a #4 or #5? F*** no! Kansas City still has a lot of work to do before it earns even a middle position on a list like this. And despite how many Blvds and fountains KC has, it's definitely not a Paris...unless, perhaps, you're thinking of Paris, TX. In France, however, the real Paris actually has culture and nightlife, and--if you're good at squeezing through people--it's easy to get from place to place. KC practically sabotages its own nightlife by letting each "new big thing" murder the old big thing in its sleep, which yes, is part of the crappy transportation provided for getting across a place that's spread wider than a hooker's legs. Speaking of which, we throw away a lot of money that could be going toward fixing the problem in much more productive ways. ...And I only rip Kansas City a new one because I care and want it to grow up to be something decent.


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New York, N.Y.
There's no place for recent graduates quite like the Big Apple: the job prospects are exceptional and the culture and nightlife are without parallel. Yes, it's tough to live here. The cost-of-living is the highest in the continental U.S. Conveniences most Americans take for granted don't exist here, like places to park a car. Fortunately, however, there are still areas of the city where young professionals can eke out a living: Brooklyn's Prospect Heights has recently come into vogue, Sunnyside and Long Island City in Queens are youth-friendly, and the money you save on rent in Hoboken will help ease the stigma of being a "B&Ter" (bridge-and-tunneler - someone who works and spends time in Manhattan, but actually lives elsewhere).

PROS: Incomparable job opportunities, an extensive mass transportation system that makes car-owning superfluous and allows young adults to live well outside the city.

CONS: Expensive, sometimes ridiculously so. But hey, if you can make it there, you'll make it anywhere.
Definitely one of the greatest cities on Earth! For this particular list, I'd probably put it right below Chicago because of how da** expensive it is. Still, if you can get a job in New York, you can definitely afford living with a roomie or two while having a decent night/social life. For those who are just good at making money and have amazing social skills--as seen from friends who have moved there--the expensiveness issue disappears, and New York for them is easily #1.


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Portland, Ore.

A haven for bohemians, punk rockers, aging hippies, techies and other creative souls, Portland is renowned for its progressive, DIY spirit. The city's creative-class profile comes at a price, however, as cost of living is now above average. Nearby Olympia, Wash., a two-hour drive from Portland, may be a reasonable alternative for grads who don't mind sacrificing some street cred - it's a much smaller city, but unemployment and cost of living are lower.

PROS: Below-average rent, a walk-able (or bike-able!) average commute, plenty of microbreweries and hip coffee shops, innovative art and music scenes, no sales tax

CONS: Above-average cost of living, surprisingly high crime rate, notoriously rainy weather, an unemployment rate that skews almost a point above the average
I would agree with Portland's position...especially with how popular the whole MJ thing is with the hipsters who would move there. And no sales tax is simply awesome. Of course, they forgot to mention the overwhelming meth problem, but by now it's about as much of a problem in the Midwest.

Hootie 07-30-2010 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6907424)
KC isn't even close to the sports scene, cultural offerings, or nightlife afforded in Chicago. Further, Chicago has a much higher number of young people & a higher % of young people.

I lived in Chicago when I was 22 and 23...

and I've partied in KC (Westport, Power and Lights, Lawrence, etc...) since I've been old enough to drink several times per year...

My friends and I have SO MUCH MORE fun in KC it isn't even funny...

Sure KC is missing a great baseball team like the Cubs where it's just a party every time they play...and an NBA team...and an NHL team...

That sucks...

I agree...

But the "suburbs" of KC are SO MUCH MORE cost efficient to live at AND it doesn't cost an arm and a leg every time you go out to have a good time...

and there are PLENTY of hot girls in the KCMO area...my friends who have only been to Kansas because I take them there always have a blast in KC and we know how to party hard...

BBQ is better than pizza, too

Hootie 07-30-2010 12:39 PM

I do find it funny that daFLORIDAman is trying to tell me what Chicago is and what Chicago isn't when I spent two years of my partying life LIVING in Chicago...

DaKCMan AP 07-30-2010 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6907439)
BBQ is better than pizza, too

I agree.

DaKCMan AP 07-30-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6907440)
I do find it funny that daFLORIDAman is trying to tell me what Chicago is and what Chicago isn't when I spent two years of my partying life LIVING in Chicago...

Not telling you what Chicago is, but your major basis for comparison seems to be cost of living and nightlife scene. I include more variables in my assessment.

PunkinDrublic 07-30-2010 01:04 PM

They way overrate Houston. That city sucks ass!


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