Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7249033)

Yup. I'm perfectly happy with Brodie going 12-20 for 100 yards and 0/0 IF we win. For the life of me I can't figure out why people care how the QB plays if we are winning.....?

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7248616)

The difference is between the ears. The question is does Croyle have Cassel's ability this year to make the right decision. That's the question.

Oh yea, and the knees.

One other point is also Cassel's mechanics have improved drastically the last month or so. Quick drop and set throwing off his front leg. I can't even remember what Croyle's mechanics look like and don't know if he does either.

Originally Posted by TRR (Post 7249120)

This article and most on this board grossly under-rate what Cassel brings to the table.

Fans have always fallen in love with Brodie's delivery and arm strength. What they always forget is his 0-9 record, his flat out inability to stay healthy, his blank stares to the sidelines after poorly thrown balls, and his inability to make anything happen if the play breaks down.
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 7249120)

This article and most on this board grossly under-rate what Cassel brings to the table.

Fans have always fallen in love with Brodie's delivery and arm strength. What they always forget is his 0-9 record, his flat out inability to stay healthy, his blank stares to the sidelines after poorly thrown balls, and his inability to make anything happen if the play breaks down.
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7249124)

People constantly blame the coaches and team around him for Croyle's inability to win even a single game. There is a LOT to be said for going 0-9. A LOT. Brodie is a sub par QB, regardless of whether or not we win today or not.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7249124)

People constantly blame the coaches and team around him for Croyle's inability to win even a single game. There is a LOT to be said for going 0-9. A LOT. Brodie is a sub par QB, regardless of whether or not we win today or not.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7249145)

Personally, I also think that Cassel brings something to the table that Croyle lacks.

I'm not sure what it is, but I just feel like Croyle lacks something menatlly, a toughness perhaps, that Cassel does seem to have.

That being said, I think the coaching in place now gives Croyle a far better chance to succeed in this situation than in any situation he's been presented with before.

I really don't believe that Croyle has what it takes emotinally to succeed consistently in the NFL, but I do believe he potentailly has a better game that you might be expecting.

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 7249261)

Cassel would have been 0-9 under Herm Edwards too. And he lost 12 games ast year. I for one am excited to see Croyle come in and get Crater kneck fired for not making the playoffs.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7249275)

You simply can't say that Cassel would have been 0-9 under Edwards, sorry. Damon Huard managed to string together a nice series of wins to get this team into the playoffs. Croyle isn't 0-9 JUST because of coaching. He's 0-9 because he doesn't play that well either.

Originally Posted by mesmith31 (Post 7249295)

Time for Marty Ball... Run left, run right...play action. It won for 10 years, why not 1 game?

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7249145)

Personally, I also think that Cassel brings something to the table that Croyle lacks.

I'm not sure what it is, but I just feel like Croyle lacks something menatlly, a toughness perhaps, that Cassel does seem to have.

That being said, I think the coaching in place now gives Croyle a far better chance to succeed in this situation than in any situation he's been presented with before.

I really don't believe that Croyle has what it takes emotinally to succeed consistently in the NFL, but I do believe he potentailly has a better game that you might be expecting.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7249361)

I hate to disagree with a poster and person of your gigantic magnitude and hugeness, Mr. milkman. But, what is there in Croyle's entire history that indicates he is not "mentally tough"?

He's come back from several nasty injuries time and time again. On top of that, counting college, he's probably played in more "meaningful games" than Cassel ... and won most of them. As for game mentality, he passed for 2,499 yards with 14 touchdowns and 4 interceptions his senior year (after coming back from an ACL), won the Cotton Bowl, and set an Alabama school record that year in both passing yards and low interception percentage in the bargain.

He's glass, but that's about the only reasonable knock on the guy. For a player whose tendons seem to be comprised mainly of overdone pasta noodles, he's tough as nails. Damn few quarterbacks would keep rehabbing like he's done. Most of them just retire.

On a related subject ... people keep bringing up the 0 and 9 record (which isn't great, I admit), but every time they do, I keep hearing the words "Herm" and "Repeated Buttsex Helmet Runs Up The Middle" in my brain. Context, my friends, context.

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