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CoMoChief 01-13-2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by booger (Post 7350971)
I agree. He's done. Time for him to go into coaching.

Guys like Studebaker have show leadership on special teams and he did get plenty of snaps on D. He may start next year but i would expect him to come out on passing downs. Studebaker hasn't shown enough to justify anything other than being the first OLB off the bench IMO.

Back to the leadership point though it's the same with McGraw and to an extent Weigmann. The team won 10 games and the youngsters gained plenty of experience in a winning season and one playoff game that they lost. Some of these vets have served their purpose. Bringing in others like Lilja and Jones would make plenty of sense again next year IMO.

What makes people think he will go into coaching? For some reason there is a large amount of people on this site that think old veteran Chiefs players immediately want to get onto the Chief's coaching staff after their playing careers are over. And it's not just Vrabel. Count this with the group of people that want Trent Green to be out QB coach.

I haven't heard Vrabel state that he wants to coach. Hey let's hire Priest Holmes to be our RB coach after Haley promotes Carthon to OC!!!!!

Brock 01-13-2011 10:05 AM

I don't see any tough decisions. It's obvious who to keep and who to replace.

Chris Meck 01-13-2011 10:44 AM

You can't just let half of your team walk. Then you'd literally have to have 22 guys off the street.

I'd think Gilberry would like a chance to start somewhere as a 4-3 RDE, and he's probably got a good shot at it. So he won't likely be back.

Wiegmann needs replacing badly. But right now, we've got nothing at C. Bring him back, but get a young FA or draft a good one for Casey to help coach up.

Smith and Edwards should be brought back, but a true, NFL ready NT must be brought in. Edwards is too small, and Smith is a 'tweener in a 3-4.

Keep Carr, he made big strides.

Just off the top of my head.

Rain Man 01-13-2011 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 7351041)
WTF?

Was Croyle a serious backup?


He must be. I know that I never smiled when he was in the game.

Rain Man 01-13-2011 10:49 AM

I don't understand the questions that arise related to a player's age. With Wiegman and Vrabel, you say "Do we have someone better on the roster?" If yes, then they get demoted or let go. If no, you keep them because they're the best player available. Age shouldn't be a factor.

booger 01-13-2011 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 7351307)
What makes people think he will go into coaching? For some reason there is a large amount of people on this site that think old veteran Chiefs players immediately want to get onto the Chief's coaching staff after their playing careers are over. And it's not just Vrabel. Count this with the group of people that want Trent Green to be out QB coach.

I haven't heard Vrabel state that he wants to coach. Hey let's hire Priest Holmes to be our RB coach after Haley promotes Carthon to OC!!!!!

He coaches his kid's pee wee( or whatever) team. He's talked about that when player safety and concussions came up he said when he's coaching he tells his players if they hit their head and don't feel right to sit out. During the bye week this year Haley let the vets Coach the younger players and gave the vets the week off from the physical part of things. There was talk about Vrabel someday going into coaching but he told haley he learned he'd never work for Todd and they all laughed and that's how i remember that. He also fits the mold to a T of players who do end up coaching. The overachievers and guys who are called coaches on the field and extremely smart and understand the game. I don't know what his plans are i was just basing that off of those things i read.

Don't lump me in with any dipsticks who think everytime a pro bowler retires i think he would be a good coach.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-13-2011 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by booger (Post 7351056)
“Good competition is the key to players pushing themselves to the maximum and developing our team and we’ve just got to keep doing that and we’ll keep getting better.”

Your "competition" is glaringly absent at the most important position on the roster, sweet pea. Get crackin'.

booger 01-13-2011 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 7351461)
I don't understand the questions that arise related to a player's age. With Wiegman and Vrabel, you say "Do we have someone better on the roster?" If yes, then they get demoted or let go. If no, you keep them because they're the best player available. Age shouldn't be a factor.

I agree but my main issue with Vrabel is i think he's declined too far. For leadership purposes maybe he could contribute as a backup OLB/Situational guy plus add depth at TE in short Yardage and Goaline. A role player like that better play special teams and i don't see Vrabel covering kicks. So in the age of the 45 man game day roster and the overall 53 he isn't going to fit many places.

Weigmann had a good year, stayed healthy, and drew plenty of praise from Haley's end of the season presser. What was my main concern before the season started and now that it has ended is how the OL would play with him at 285(probably lighter) and lilja at 290 playing side by side. I don't think this OL, and Cassel can go through another year of that. I wouldn't be suprised to see Weigmann keep playing, just a matter if it's here or not.

McGraw has lost some foot speed too(not his best skill to begin with) and usually misses 2-4 games a year in his KC career. His range isn't good enough for FS and I don't think he could hold up at SS. As a 3rd Safety and Nickel package guy maybe he has another year. But again it comes back to special teams and he was a good one in the past but i didn't notice him this year. If not a starter or playing high number of snaps as a backup these guys don't fit.

As far as declining skills you can throw Chambers in that catagory too, imo.

Chiefnj2 01-13-2011 11:16 AM

Must Keep: Hali.

Should keep: Carr and Gilberry.

One or the other until you draft and develop someone: Weigman/Niswanger (preferably Weigman), and Edwards/Smith (preferably Smith).

booger 01-13-2011 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 7351041)
WTF?

Was Croyle a serious backup?

No kidding. He's as good as gone IMO. Palko would be a better #2 instead of Croyle. It just hasn't come together for him and don't know if it will.

buddha 01-13-2011 11:19 AM

Croyle should be cut loose. Palkow showed more in limited time, and it's time to look elsewhere for the QBoftheF. Smith and Edwards are keepers. They may not be great, but they are at least average...maybe a bit better than that. It's hard to find good interior DL. You don't give up on two young ones who played pretty well. Hali should be brought back if the price is right, but I wouldn't over pay. Vrable was WAY too slow this season to play his position. Leadership or not, he needs to hang 'em up. Carr is a keeper.

The Chiefs need LBers in the worst way. Our LBer prospect for the future is Andy Freaking Studdebaker? Really? That's sad.

WR and LB should be the Chiefs priority during the off season.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-13-2011 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by booger (Post 7351519)
No kidding. He's as good as gone IMO. Palko would be a better #2 instead of Croyle. It just hasn't come together for him and don't know if it will.

Plankton is utter garbage. He's a "22-er" if ever there was one.

boogblaster 01-13-2011 11:31 AM

We need a serious QB back-up ... plus a new young QB too learn our system .......

The Franchise 01-13-2011 11:46 AM

Keep the following:

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Originally Posted by booger (Post 7350961)
unrestricted
OLB Hali
C Weigmann
WR Copper
NT Smith

Restriced or Exclusive Rights
OT Richardson
DE Gilberry
CB Carr
FB Cox
RB Battle


RINGLEADER 01-13-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jethopper (Post 7351306)
keep tamba, cut the rest loose.

From the unrestricted list, pretty much...


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