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pr_capone 02-11-2011 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 7425287)
I want him to be quarterback of the Chiefs.
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Chiefnj2 02-12-2011 11:24 AM
He played an entire season with a lot of scrutiny over every move. That's a lot of pressure for a young man to handle, and overcome.

Bewbies 02-12-2011 02:23 PM
Athletically the kid is amazing. The most important things about him, his work ethic, his attitude, desire, teach ability, personal influences and thing none of us around here will ever know.

If he checked out in all the areas we'll never know I'd have no problem with him being in KC. And all those other areas I think Pioli does as good of a job as anyone figuring out.

He'll be picked long before 21 though.

Nightfyre 02-12-2011 05:37 PM
All you folks with boners over the "athlete" at QB need to get over it. Far and away the most important aspect of the quarterback at the NFL level is mental. The ability to read defenses, make the right decision quickly and deliver the ball there in a timely fashion.

KCrockaholic 02-12-2011 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 7426371)
All you folks with boners over the "athlete" at QB need to get over it. Far and away the most important aspect of the quarterback at the NFL level is mental. The ability to read defenses, make the right decision quickly and deliver the ball there in a timely fashion.
Somebody finally said it.

Vince Young is hella athletic too. But his brain is made of pudding.

mnchiefsguy 02-12-2011 07:33 PM
Michael Wilbon says he should be the #1 pick of the whole draft on PTI the other day. Heisman winning QB's don't have a great track record lately in the NFL, do they?

Bump 02-13-2011 01:43 AM
after all of the combine work is done, I am willing to bet money that Cam Newton will be a top 5 pick overall. Maybe #1 if the Panthers can see that Clausen sucks.

Bump 02-13-2011 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7426481)
Michael Wilbon says he should be the #1 pick of the whole draft on PTI the other day. Heisman winning QB's don't have a great track record lately in the NFL, do they?
Sam Bradford seems legit.

chiefzilla1501 02-13-2011 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7423993)
Yeah, not sure why all the hate on this guy other then the whole money thing. This guy will probably turn out to be the best QB in a pretty deep QB draft.

This isn't Tim Bebow here. Newton can make all the throws.
I don't understand the obsession with arm strength and athleticism. Why do people hate the guy? He cheated on his exams, which leads me to believe that a) he's not very smart; b) he's going to look for shortcuts. And he took a massive sweetheart paycheck in college, which leads me to believe that he cares too much about money and will start loafing when he gets a big check.

Thing about Tim Tebow is that you know he's in that film room every waking hour he's not on the field or in practice.

I'm pretty convinced that any franchise QB has to be a franchise rat, with the rare exception of a freakishly good athlete like Vick (and even still, you could argue that). There is nothing in Newton that leads me to believe he'll be that guy. You can make the playoffs and club a lot of teams with athleticism, but you're not going to beat Pittsburgh or Baltimore, etc... in the playoffs if you don't have it between the ears.

milkman 02-13-2011 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7426985)
I don't understand the obsession with arm strength and athleticism. Why do people hate the guy? He cheated on his exams, which leads me to believe that a) he's not very smart; b) he's going to look for shortcuts. And he took a massive sweetheart paycheck in college, which leads me to believe that he cares too much about money and will start loafing when he gets a big check.

Thing about Tim Tebow is that you know he's in that film room every waking hour he's not on the field or in practice.

I'm pretty convinced that any franchise QB has to be a franchise rat, with the rare exception of a freakishly good athlete like Vick (and even still, you could argue that). There is nothing in Newton that leads me to believe he'll be that guy. You can make the playoffs and club a lot of teams with athleticism, but you're not going to beat Pittsburgh or Baltimore, etc... in the playoffs if you don't have it between the ears.
I think that nj makes a solid observation below.
Add the fact that he (and his advisors) showed some intelligence in providing this workout, and it appears to me this kid has more smarts than you're giving him credit for.

As for TeBow, I have no doubt that he's going to work as hard as he can to become an NFL QB, but his windup mechanics give him the slowest release that I believe that I've ever seen.

Until, and if, he fixes that, he won't be worth a damn against teams that can get consistent quick pressure in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7425931)
He played an entire season with a lot of scrutiny over every move. That's a lot of pressure for a young man to handle, and overcome.

BigCatDaddy 02-13-2011 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7426985)
I don't understand the obsession with arm strength and athleticism. Why do people hate the guy? He cheated on his exams, which leads me to believe that a) he's not very smart; b) he's going to look for shortcuts. And he took a massive sweetheart paycheck in college, which leads me to believe that he cares too much about money and will start loafing when he gets a big check.

Thing about Tim Tebow is that you know he's in that film room every waking hour he's not on the field or in practice.

I'm pretty convinced that any franchise QB has to be a franchise rat, with the rare exception of a freakishly good athlete like Vick (and even still, you could argue that). There is nothing in Newton that leads me to believe he'll be that guy. You can make the playoffs and club a lot of teams with athleticism, but you're not going to beat Pittsburgh or Baltimore, etc... in the playoffs if you don't have it between the ears.
I honestly don't remember which game it was I was watching, but he was fitting the ball into crazy windows to his receivers. He also seemed to be a pretty good leader and his teammates like him and he will be a hell of a guy to bring down. I think he can be Big Ben if he hits or at worst probably David Garrard. The NFL is always evolving and having a QB that make plays with his feet and arm is always a nice weapon to have. Even if he isn't Michael Vick, Steve Young and John Elway made a pretty good living with those legs as well.

I think he has a much better throwing motion and is more accuarte then what I saw out of Vince Young in college as well.

There are about a half a dozen QB's in this draft that I would be thrilled to have.

milkman 02-13-2011 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7427041)
I honestly don't remember which game it was I was watching, but he was fitting the ball into crazy windows to his receivers. He also seemed to be a pretty good leader and his teammates like him and he will be a hell of a guy to bring down. I think he can be Big Ben if he hits or at worst probably David Garrard. The NFL is always evolving and having a QB that make plays with his feet and arm is always a nice weapon to have. Even if he isn't Michael Vick, Steve Young and John Elway made a pretty good living with those legs as well.

I think he has a much better throwing motion and is more accuarte then what I saw out of Vince Young in college as well.

There are about a half a dozen QB's in this draft that I would be thrilled to have.
Micheal Vick hasn't been able to advance to the SB yet.

Steve Young wasn't able to lead his 49ers to the SB until he learned to continue to scan the field and make plays with his arm rather than his legs.

John Elway was always a QB that looked to mke plays with his arms first.

Not a single QB that wasn't a passer first has ever won the SB.

Mobility is a great weapon to have, but I hope that any mobile QB that we might ever have is a guy who continues to look downfield looking to make a play with his arm while eluding a rush.

BigCatDaddy 02-13-2011 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7427075)
Micheal Vick hasn't been able to advance to the SB yet.

Steve Young wasn't able to lead his 49ers to the SB until he learned to continue to scan the field and make plays with his arm rather than his legs.

John Elway was always a QB that looked to mke plays with his arms first.

Not a single QB that wasn't a passer first has ever won the SB.

Mobility is a great weapon to have, but I hope that any mobile QB that we might ever have is a guy who continues to look downfield looking to make a play with his arm while eluding a rush.
I agree, just saying it's a hell of a luxury to have if a guy can do both compared to just one. We sas Rodgers and Ben do a great job in the playoffs scrambling for some nice gains as well. Of course being a solid throwing QB comes first, but extending a drive or 2 a game with those legs never hurts.

Saul Good 02-13-2011 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7425460)
If JaMarcuss had a brother, he'd almost be as bad an NFL QB as Newton.
That's a very apt comparison. After all, both of them are black QBs.

They may play completely different styles of football. They may have very different levels of work ethic. They may even have completely different personalities. The fact remains that they are both black QBs and, as such, they are very similar.

Cam Newton also reminds me a lot of Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham. If you break down the film on those guys coming out of college, it becomes clear that they were also black QBs.

chiefzilla1501 02-13-2011 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7427015)
I think that nj makes a solid observation below.
Add the fact that he (and his advisors) showed some intelligence in providing this workout, and it appears to me this kid has more smarts than you're giving him credit for.

As for TeBow, I have no doubt that he's going to work as hard as he can to become an NFL QB, but his windup mechanics give him the slowest release that I believe that I've ever seen.

Until, and if, he fixes that, he won't be worth a damn against teams that can get consistent quick pressure in the playoffs.
Maybe so. But to me, it tells me that he's motivated by money. He seems to do all the right and smart things to position himself to make more money, but what happens when he gets that first paycheck? IMO, the fact that he couldn't motivate himself to even try to succeed in the classroom tells me that he's not going to put the kind of time he needs to once he gets paid.


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