A franchise RB? Did I miss something?

He also said Ayers was converted to FB and that was a bust, Franchise QB? Elway bashes Tebow at every turn! Dumervil the best pass rusher in the NFL? uhmm.. I don't think so he may be around 15th or so, plus coming off an injury we'll see how he comes back... The talkshow host said they were talking about converting Demaryius Thomas from WR to TE? wth is up with that?

Dummervil is not going to be the same after he comes back. They never are.

Ayers, the guy with 39 tackles and 1.5 sacks, is a young stud.

Got it.

Lammey is a joke. You need to listen to Sandy Clough on 104.3 at 7pm weeknights if you want good objective intelligent sports talk. He respects Haley and Pioli and the direction we are going but still has questions about Cassel. I'm sure you can pick up his show by podcasts and it streams as well.

thank god you showed up

I thought for a second thids was gonna be a real discussion of merit

Isn't Lammey one of the football writers for www.footballguys.com?

Honestly, he's no more wiser than anyone here...

I remember when I thought all Chiefs players walked on water too. I was 9. It's a shame Peter Pan can't grow up.

You don't have anywhere near the best receivers in the NFL, nor do you have a franchise QB, RB or the best pass rusher in the NFL. What a ****ing ridiculous statement. He's not even close to DeMarcus Ware. He's not even in the top 10 coming off a major injury.

Dumervil is not a 4-3 DE. He's too light. Your only hope with him was as a 3-4 OLB.

Your team is trash and you are a blabbering ****ing moron.

:spock: you really think Orton is a franchise QB? Dude can't even beat out Tebow what does that say about him?

Dumervil had 20 sacks his first two years in the NFL playing in a 4-3. He is a pure passrusher. The scheme doesn't matter.

Ayers hasn't proven a great deal at this point and with the likely new scheme, everyone on defense is suspect. Elvis should be fine, I think he can be a playmaker in any defense and Fox will be able to utilize him well.

Franchise QB... you're referring to Tebow and he's nowhere NEAR that label at this point. Moreno? Please... he's not a 20-25 carry RB, he simply isn't and they need to add someone like DeAngelo.

I don't know if I would call them the best WR core... they did very well, but Royal and Thomas are now hurt - missing lots of time and that will hurt the development of Tebow. They don't have a TE worth a damn... that needs to change.

There's a lot of upside, but let's not pretend they are 2-3 players away... they're 5-6 playmakers away and they likely won't fix that in one offseason. Especially on defense, they're going on what ... their 7th change in philosophy and coaching for the 7th straight year? That's not good... and that needs to be priority #1.

My keys to the Broncos improving: (stop the run & run the ball)
#1 - fix the defense... create a philosophy and build the foundation, bring in 4-6 new potential starter/rotational guys to build on the 3-4 good players they have and take the baby steps forward towards improvement. It won't happen in one offseason.

#2 - solidify the ground attack. They need a good #2 option to split carries with Moreno. If Tebow is their guy... and we know Fox loves to run, they need to build up in that area.

#3 - keep the WRs in tact, hope that guys like Decker can step up and that Royal and Thomas heal completely and early in the season. Then GO GET AN ACTUAL PASS CATCHING TE - Scaife, Boss, M Lewis... they're out there.

Those are the 3 main areas and notice that I didn't really address the QB deal and whether or not it should be Tebow or Orton... it won't matter with EITHER of them, if they don't focus on those 3 areas.

You're being the silly one now... Orton would beat out Tebow easily in a straight up competition. They had nothing to lose by letting Tebow start those final games... had to see what the guy could do and he showed good upside.