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Direckshun 01-10-2012 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8283009)
I agree with you, but it's a different NFL and the center position is more valuable than it used to be. Hell, the other Pouncey brother got picked in the first to play center and he wasn't close to being as good as his brother at that position. Add to that that Konz is a junior. One more season and he would have the potential to be mentioned alongside Mack.

Like I said, it's a ten spot reach, but if the top three OT's are gone along with the two quarterbacks, Konz is as good at his position as anyone in the draft. It's as much a reach taking Konz at that point as it is Kuechly (who is also an absolute stud at his position, but you typically don't take a MLB that high either).
Under what circumstance would the top three OTs be taken along with the two QBs?

That would push sick talent down to the Chiefs. No need to spoil that by going in the other direction and reaching.

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8283001)
About the only thing I agree with is the analysis of Kellen Moore.

I like Konz but the love of OL is way over the top.
I think the Chiefs are in a bit of no-man's land at the #11 pick. It's likely that the two quarterbacks and three tackles are gone. (And I think Konz is better at his position than Riley and Martin are at theirs anyway.)

Other than Luke Kuechly and Peter Konz, who is in the draft that the Chiefs should take at that point that is going to be an upgrade to the team? One of the tackles, yes. If they fall. Other than that, I think a guy like Tannehill is a substantially bigger reach than Konz.

And please don't say Dontari Poe.

Dr. Gigglepants 01-10-2012 02:59 PM
As much as I would like to get one of the "other" qb's being talked about in the other thread at #12, I don't see Pioli doing it. I wouldn't mind a stud center, like you said, Weigmann is pushing 40.

Assuming the top tackles are gone I'd be for it. Our line needs upgrading, but it's not far from being a real strength for our team.

Direckshun 01-10-2012 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8283031)
I think the Chiefs are in a bit of no-man's land at the #11 pick. It's likely that the two quarterbacks and three tackles are gone. (And I think Konz is better at his position than Riley and Martin are at theirs anyway.)

Other than Luke Kuechly and Peter Konz, who is in the draft that the Chiefs should take at that point that is going to be an upgrade to the team? One of the tackles, yes. If they fall. Other than that, I think a guy like Tannehill is a substantially bigger reach than Konz.

And please don't say Dontari Poe.
Assuming they let Carr go, Kirkpatrick.

the Talking Can 01-10-2012 03:03 PM
unless we're trading down, that first pick is baloney

Albert isn't going anywhere, because he's a good LT, so the 2nd round pick is explicitly for a RT

Dorsey is one of the best run stuffing 3-4 DEs in the league and does not have a "tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards"...jesus drunken christ, but I'm fine drafting DL...

reaching for OL with our first two picks thankfully isn't going to happen, as pioli does generally show an eye for value

i like picks 4/5, don't know anything about 6/7...i'd rather trade down and grab a NT in the first 1st, OL in the second...

*edit

i like moore too, and wouldn't have any problem burning a late round pick on him

Pasta Little Brioni 01-10-2012 03:05 PM
You have the most outdated football takes I've ever seen. Building those trenches, the key to winning football in the twenty tens :drool:

LiL stumppy 01-10-2012 03:11 PM
If we can't get a QB in the draft, I don't see a problem with this. Would be a dominate OL.With that OL Orton/ Stanzi could be sucessful, and win a play-off game, no doubt in my mind.

I think if it's not a QB, move back, get a OT/G. And Bank on Orton/Stanzi for another year.

Urc Burry 01-10-2012 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8282967)
Hey, we'd do well to land Matt Reynolds in the 2nd.
I haven't seen him mocked in the 2nd at all, let alone of the top of it.

Same story every year.. Hmmmm let's draft some lineman from a shitty conference.. BYU, Utah, Boise State, and Wisconsin being my favorite.

Saccopoo 01-10-2012 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8283030)
Under what circumstance would the top three OTs be taken along with the two QBs?

That would push sick talent down to the Chiefs. No need to spoil that by going in the other direction and reaching.
1. Colts: Luck
2. Rams: Blackmon
3. Vikes: Kalil
4. Browns: Griffin
5. Bucs: Richardson
6. Skins: Kirkpatrick
7. Jags: Claiborn
8. Panthers: Couples
9. Dophins: Martin
10. Bills: Riley

So what sick talent is now at the Chiefs? Jeffery? Still? Floyd? DeCastro?

At this point, the pick should be either Konz or Kuechly IMO. Just fits with what the Chiefs need and they are the best two at their position, especially Konz as you could make the argument that Hightower is potentially a better 3-4 MLB with Kuechly's best fit in a 4-3. (Though I think he can play in either effectively.)

LiL stumppy 01-10-2012 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8283049)
You have the most outdated football takes I've ever seen. Building those trenches, the key to winning football in the twenty tens :drool:
Games are won up front, if you don't believe that, you have no real football knowledge. Simple.

DeezNutz 01-10-2012 03:13 PM
BYU player early. Shocker.

ChiefsCountry 01-10-2012 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 8283080)
Games are won up front, if you don't believe that, you have no real football knowledge. Simple.
Games are won under center.

RealSNR 01-10-2012 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8282850)
Pretty good mock, except for the first round.

A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.
Realisticaly, Pouncey, Wisniewski, and Hudson last year weren't centers. At least not the kind of centers you should draft high and build your franchise around. If you take a guy that high, you better be damn sure you're getting a great player.

Konz is a real center. He's fast, agile, big, and strong. With him, it wouldn't matter who was carrying the ball. Jamaal Charles could be our 4th and short running back with Hudson, Konz, and Asamoah.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-10-2012 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8283088)
Games are won under center.
Why don't people understand this yet? Are they still watching 10 plus year old VHS tapes of games and haven't caught up to today's games.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-10-2012 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 8283080)
Games are won up front, if you don't believe that, you have no real football knowledge. Simple.
So, you come from the past. Welcome to 2012 where QB's rule the league.


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