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http://boards.bengals.com/showthread...32#post2358332

All of these. If Carr walks, I'm going to meltdown on an epic level. You don't let the hardest workers in football leave over money when you have our cap space and spend it on nothing. It's inexcusable and an indictment on Clark ten times more than Pioli.

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JFC. Does their board administrator not care about the forum looking like a piece of whale shit?

Let's say we slap down a carbon copy of Flowers deal in front of him and his agent convinces Him to test free agency. From there, a team with deep pockets offers him 12-13 million a year and good years. Half guaranteed.

I LOVE Carr. He is only gonna get better and is already really really good. Very humble and good natured as well.

But...

Can you justify spending an average of 22 million on a pair of corners?

No matter how good...that's a tough one.

Especially with Berry pulling a similar figure at safety.

All in all, I keep him even if I have to go past Flowers deal. It's a passing league and with this set of 3 corners and our pass rush, this defense could be downright nasty to play against in coming years.

IMO If Carr goes elsewhere, it better be for a stupid deal.

Everybody is on Carr's jock right now, but the guy gets burned a lot. That being said, he makes plays.

He's a high level #2 corner if you have a legit #1 CB on the roster. If someone wants to pay him top flight #1 NFL corner money, I'm okay with letting him go test the waters.

Arenas makes a shit ton of plays and I can see him in the Kevin Ross role of Flowers' Albert Lewis mold, especially if Berry can come out of the knee rehab without a hitch. (Berry can cover a lot of ground when healthy. I hope he had a good ortho doc for his knee and said doc did the best he ever did to fix it.)

If we keep Carr, all the better, as long as we don't overpay for him.

In the past he has had trouble getting his head turned around..but this last year he has really stepped up and became a top 15 corner at the least

Had Pioli slapped Flowers deal in front of Carr at any point over the last 12 months, Carr would've taken it without blinking. Had he given him 80% of Flowers deal for most of that time period, Carr would have done the same.

If he tests FA and gets an insane deal that we choose not to match, it will be because Pioli badly ****ed up the negotiation process prior to this and in the end lost all leverage in the matter.

If Carr leaves, it's an indictment on Pioli - period. And yeah, there are also circumstances where Carr staying could end up an indictment on Pioli. Frankly, Pioi's already dicked up the Carr discussions, all he can do now is mitigate the damage.

at least he'll be ready for let-downs .. pot helps with that .. lol ......

it was impossible to sign Carr during the regular season due to the 30%
rule...Thats not on Pioli

I think not 100% sure

No he doesn't.

Carr isn't going to get 12-13 Million a year. Isn't that Reavis Money?

Carr should be getting 7-9 Million a year, which is perfectly manageable for this team.

Carr is a good CB, but lets not go overboard here.

My understanding is that things like completion/roster bonuses can kinda 'skirt' the 30% rule as they are not included in the computation of the 30% increase. EDIT: It appears that signing bonuses aren't calculated, but roster bonuses are. In either event, there are guaranteed dollars that can be given, generally up front, that aren't counted into the 30% rule and thus don't violate it.

Besides, Carr and Flowers were on substantially similar base contracts. Yeah, Flowers was a little more, but not exorbitantly so as a 2nd rounder. I don't believe Flowers contract would've complied with the 30% rule and his was inked in-season.

Why would extending Carr have violated it whereas extending Flowers didn't?

You're confusing Carr with the guy who already got his contract.

Carr is a clear #1 and superior to Flowers.

there is no excuse for not signing carr...none

plus I've been assured Clark has every intention of spending that big pile of cash he skies down in his backyard, so Carr isn't going anywhere...