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Direckshun 01-19-2012 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8311105)
Yeah, I'm not arguing that he might fail in a big way, but this is the type of risk/reward candidate who would make absolutely perfect sense for the Chiefs with where they are as a franchise right now.

Miss? Definitely not the end of the world because you weren't absolutely counting on the guy to contribute. You're hoping, anticipating, but not counting. Big difference.

The Chiefs would have the luxury to take this risk right now.

Fair point.

The other candidates at 12 overall are similarly uninspiring.

I'm convinced the Chiefs think they have to get a tackle this year, though. We do need a starting RT, but more importantly, we also need insurance in case Albert loses his mind and demands Willie Roaf money.

I do love Trent Richardson, but (a.) he won't fall to us, and (b.) his window is what, 5 years?

DeezNutz 01-19-2012 01:53 PM

I know I'll get slammed for undervaluing Belcher, but I wouldn't be opposed to trying to find an upgrade at ILB to pair with DJ at #12 overall.

Belcher certainly has a place on this team, but our LBs have the potential to be scary good if we were to add an elite player in the middle.

O.city 01-19-2012 01:56 PM

It's possible that we could grab Hightower in the second.

We could get a RT and an ILB

Direckshun 01-19-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8311135)
I know I'll get slammed for undervaluing Belcher, but I wouldn't be opposed to trying to find an upgrade at ILB to pair with DJ at #12 overall.

Belcher certainly has a place on this team, but our LBs have the potential to be scary good if we were to add an elite player in the middle.

You're going to get slammed, alright.

What true thumper does this draft have that warrants the 12 overall?

Hightower is as close as you get.

DJ's left nut 01-19-2012 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8311096)
Aaaaand I don't think he's worth a 1st. There's not nearly enough tape on him, and he's crapped his pants in most of his bigger games, and he's going to need time. I'd spend our 2nd on him, but he'll be overdrafted by then.

And it's worthless talking about anyway because Pioli's not going to draft a guy with only 20 starts. Although he has surprised before.

Here's why I'm willing to take a big risk with that 1st rounder - look at what we'd otherwise be getting.

Say we take Richardson - 1/2 the top 20 backs in the league last year were in some way, shape or form flyers. Lynch for a lousy draft pick, Bush for free, Foster undrafted, blah blah blah. It's really not that hard to find a good RB, especially a good complementary RB.

Say we take Rief to play RT - well Bryant McKinnie could've been had for nothing, the Gaither story is a dead horse at this point as well. Frankly, RTs are not too tough to find either if you just keep turning over rocks.

Where else would we look there? We're clearly content with the DEs, there are no LBs that would rate that high, I'm on record with my fury over the idea of taking a CB to replace the CB that we should never let walk. We're not going to grab another 1st round WR and the NTs that are likely to be available there just aren't that great. There are no BJ Rajii's this year.

Frankly, if we go after Tannehill and the guy busts hard, our opportunity cost given our needs this year isn't truly that high.

If there's ever a draft, ever a year, to take an extremely high risk on an extremely high reward player, it's this year's draft. We're not looking at passing on a surefire NT. We don't need to find a speed-rusher to take our defense up a step. We don't have a problem in the secondary (because, again, if Carr goes and we use a 1st to replace him, there will be murders). We definitely need an upgrade at RT, but that's a secondary spot that can be filled in the 2nd or 3rd - not like we're replacing our LT or anything.

At worst, we lose the luxury of having a fantastic backup RB in Trent Richardson. And like I said, RBs aren't that tough to find if you're willing to throw numbers at the problem. Don't you think the Saints are regretting the hell out of that Ingrahm pick right now? The pundits loved it, but they had enough numbers and enough versatility in the backfield through turning over stones that Ingrahm was a complete luxury item that ultimately yielded nothing when needed most.

The only thing I could see changing this would be if Bowe walks, we use the franchise tag on Carr and we go after someone like Kendall Wright to complement Baldwin.

This is the year to take that bold chance because the downside of abject failure really isn't that cataclysmic.

DeezNutz 01-19-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8311154)
You're going to get slammed, alright.

What true thumper does this draft have that warrants the 12 overall?

Hightower is as close as you get.

He's not a thumper, but he absolutely could be elite, provided he's able shed blocks effectively in a 3-4:

Kuechly

Probably a better fit in a 4-3, but the dude's a player.

DJ's left nut 01-19-2012 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8311165)
He's not a thumper, but he absolutely could be elite, provided he's able shed blocks effectively in a 3-4:

Kuechly

Probably a better fit in a 4-3, but the dude's a player.

He's redundant in this defense.

If we didn't have DJ, perhaps - that's the role he's best suited for.

He's not a good fit for Belcher's job in this defense and I'd be pretty damn irritated if we took him at 12.

Direckshun 01-19-2012 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8311159)
Here's why I'm willing to take a big risk with that 1st rounder - look at what we'd otherwise be getting.

Say we take Richardson - 1/2 the top 20 backs in the league last year were in some way, shape or form flyers. Lynch for a lousy draft pick, Bush for free, Foster undrafted, blah blah blah. It's really not that hard to find a good RB, especially a good complementary RB.

Say we take Rief to play RT - well Bryant McKinnie could've been had for nothing, the Gaither story is a dead horse at this point as well. Frankly, RTs are not too tough to find either if you just keep turning over rocks.

Where else would we look there? We're clearly content with the DEs, there are no LBs that would rate that high, I'm on record with my fury over the idea of taking a CB to replace the CB that we should never let walk. We're not going to grab another 1st round WR and the NTs that are likely to be available there just aren't that great. There are no BJ Rajii's this year.

Frankly, if we go after Tannehill and the guy busts hard, our opportunity cost given our needs this year isn't truly that high.

If there's ever a draft, ever a year, to take an extremely high risk on an extremely high reward player, it's this year's draft. We're not looking at passing on a surefire NT. We don't need to find a speed-rusher to take our defense up a step. We don't have a problem in the secondary (because, again, if Carr goes and we use a 1st to replace him, there will be murders). We definitely need an upgrade at RT, but that's a secondary spot that can be filled in the 2nd or 3rd - not like we're replacing our LT or anything.

At worst, we lose the luxury of having a fantastic backup RB in Trent Richardson. And like I said, RBs aren't that tough to find if you're willing to throw numbers at the problem. Don't you think the Saints are regretting the hell out of that Ingrahm pick right now? The pundits loved it, but they had enough numbers and enough versatility in the backfield through turning over stones that Ingrahm was a complete luxury item that ultimately yielded nothing when needed most.

The only thing I could see changing this would be if Bowe walks, we use the franchise tag on Carr and we go after someone like Kendall Wright to complement Baldwin.

This is the year to take that bold chance because the downside of abject failure really isn't that cataclysmic.

All good points, and I'm on record against the Richardson pick. You also neglected to mention the awesome David DeCastro, but if we take a GUARD with a first round pick, I will flip out.

A tackle does warrant serious consideration, however. Particularly if we can get somebody like Reiff or Martin who can man both tackle positions (in my opinion, Reiff can, but Martin is a pure LT). It would be smart, cheap money to man the RT for a year, then use for leverage and/or insurance in case Albert holds out or whatever.

My favorite move, at this point, would be to trade down. I'm not usually a trade down hawk. But if we're capable of trading down, we get better value. Hell, we can probably get Tannehill still.

I don't know. You make good points.

Direckshun 01-19-2012 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8311167)
He's redundant in this defense.

If we didn't have DJ, perhaps - that's the role he's best suited for.

He's not a good fit for Belcher's job in this defense and I'd be pretty damn irritated if we took him at 12.

Yup.

Keuchly is a bigger, stronger Donnie Edwards with just as much speed.

He'll cover everywhere for you, but he's not a offensive line-destroyer.

DeezNutz 01-19-2012 02:09 PM

Need to wait post-combine, but I think there's a pretty good chance that Tannehill is off the board when we pick.

Direckshun 01-19-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8311179)
Need to wait post-combine, but I think there's a pretty good chance that Tannehill is off the board when we pick.

Might be. Especially if we are picking at 12, with the Seahawks right in front of us.

It would be a reach of Christian Ponder proportions if they did, however.

the Talking Can 01-19-2012 02:19 PM

we really need to trade down if we aren't angling for a QB, and if we do then i don't really care who we take at least we'll have picked up some value...

Chiefnj2 01-19-2012 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8311178)

Keuchly is a bigger, stronger Donnie Edwards with just as much speed.

IMO, he's not that fast.

Direckshun 01-19-2012 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8311255)
IMO, he's not that fast.

He's everywhere all the time.

He's either fast, has superb instincts, or both.

O.city 01-19-2012 03:33 PM

If all played our right, we could possibly come out of this years first two rounds with say Tannehill, Hightower, and say Reynolds.


IMO that would be a dynamite first two rounds, if played correctly.


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