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Dante84 08-16-2012 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8824538)

"Import dem hos!"

MagicHef 08-16-2012 11:14 PM

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And according to Pro Football Focus, a website that tracks statistics, Jackson and right end Glenn Dorsey each accounted for more tackles than any 3-4 defensive ends in the NFL, including the Steelers, Ravens and Patriots, who are known for their 3-4 fronts. Jackson was credited with 38 stops on run plays, while Dorsey had 32.
This paragraph is wrong in so many ways it's hard to keep track. Calais Campell had more tackles than either of them, JJ Watt and Justin Smith both had more tackles than Dorsey, and the Patriots and Ravens were not listed as 3-4 defenses by PFF last season, meaning none of their players would count as the 3-4 DEs he is trying to compare Jackson and Dorsey to.

If he meant stops rather than tackles, Campbell still had more than either Jackson or Dorsey.

If he meant total stops by two teammates, Campbell and Darnell Dockett had more than Jackson and Dorsey.

I can't figure out a way to read that paragraph without it being completely false.

O.city 08-16-2012 11:16 PM

Maybe he compared them to the actual Pitt and Balt players?


Doubt it.

themanwithnoname 08-17-2012 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 8824734)
This paragraph is wrong in so many ways it's hard to keep track. Calais Campell had more tackles than either of them, JJ Watt and Justin Smith both had more tackles than Dorsey, and the Patriots and Ravens were not listed as 3-4 defenses by PFF last season, meaning none of their players would count as the 3-4 DEs he is trying to compare Jackson and Dorsey to.

If he meant stops rather than tackles, Campbell still had more than either Jackson or Dorsey.

If he meant total stops by two teammates, Campbell and Darnell Dockett had more than Jackson and Dorsey.


I can't figure out a way to read that paragraph without it being completely false.

Based on run stops: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...efensive-ends/

But yeah the person that wrote the article didn't specify. Its typical KC media crap, and arguments beat to death a thousand times over.

Hammock Parties 08-17-2012 01:06 AM

Randy ****ed that up, but his heart was in the right place.

Jackson was #1 in run stop percentage last year.

He's come a long way from being dead last.

Direckshun 08-17-2012 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8824397)
5+ sacks, 20+ hurries a year.

That's what JJ Watt did last season. Brett Keisel, too, to name another 3-4 team.

Those are both 1-gap 3-4s.

Do I need to bump that thread again, delineating the difference?

Direckshun 08-17-2012 01:41 AM

I forget who said it in another thread, but Jackson is clearly not a bust.

The selection right before Jackson was Jason Smith, the #2 overall pick by the Rams who just lost his job to Barry Richardson.

That's a bust.

To label Jackson a bust is to stretch the meaning of the word so bizarrely that the word ceases to have any meaning.

Hammock Parties 08-17-2012 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8824905)
Those are both 1-gap 3-4s.

Do I need to bump that thread again, delineating the difference?

No, you don't.

Do I need to link you to the post in this thread where Scott Pioli and Todd Haley tell us they think Tyson Jackson can be a pass rusher?

Direckshun 08-17-2012 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8824909)
No, you don't.

Do I need to link you to the post in this thread where Scott Pioli and Todd Haley tell us they think Tyson Jackson can be a pass rusher?

And it turns out they were wrong about that dimension of his game.

Your point?

Hammock Parties 08-17-2012 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8824913)
And it turns out they were wrong about that dimension of his game.

Your point?

My point is to ever say he was worth that pick, he needs to post numbers like JJ Watt.

He's a bust as a #3 pick.

Not a bust as a player. Solid player.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-17-2012 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 8824734)
This paragraph is wrong in so many ways it's hard to keep track. Calais Campell had more tackles than either of them, JJ Watt and Justin Smith both had more tackles than Dorsey, and the Patriots and Ravens were not listed as 3-4 defenses by PFF last season, meaning none of their players would count as the 3-4 DEs he is trying to compare Jackson and Dorsey to.

If he meant stops rather than tackles, Campbell still had more than either Jackson or Dorsey.

If he meant total stops by two teammates, Campbell and Darnell Dockett had more than Jackson and Dorsey.

I can't figure out a way to read that paragraph without it being completely false.

Why does this make you so butthurt? Stick to sucking off marginal donkey talent.

RunKC 08-17-2012 11:33 AM

Wow look at the top 10 and how all the hyped up players have sucked. It makes Jackson look like a lot better of a pick in hindsight.

OctoberFart 08-17-2012 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8824909)
No, you don't.

Do I need to link you to the post in this thread where Scott Pioli and Todd Haley tell us they think Tyson Jackson can be a pass rusher?

Yes

OctoberFart 08-17-2012 11:45 AM

When they drafted Jackson, Chiefs officials compared him to former Dallas Cowboys end Russell Maryland, who didn’t roll up a lot of sacks in the Cowboys’ 3-4 scheme but helped win three Super Bowl rings.

That comment right there takes away any credibility from this hack writer. Dallas played the classic one gap attacking 4-3 defense. Jimmy Johnson was never a 3-4 guy or a 2 gap guy.

Ace Gunner 08-17-2012 11:48 AM

If this article (and every other article that claims a DL doesn't rush the passer) is true, Dorsey & Jackson are pretty good. But alas, this is more sugar for fat folks.

Neither player is a bust, just one demensional so far. I expect Tyson Jackson to have sacks this season. Hell, I expect doughboy Dorsey to get at least one sack this year.


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