Eric Winston says we suck as fans...

The problem is that when you put a 20/20 buffoon who touches the ball on 100% of the offensive plays you can see 50/50 that he's going to mess it up 50% of the time. 50% is a big number. It's nearly half. That's a lot of screwups and when you turn the ball over the other team has it and then you get to defend. If you can't defend and you can't get the ball back then you aren't going to win a lot of them ballgames.

This is wrong.

Guys like Stanford Routt, Javier Arenas, Kendrick Lewis, Allen Bailey, Tyson Jackson, Jeff Allen, Tony Moeaki, Dexter McCluster and Jon Baldwin are mediocre at best football players, and that is a large percentage of our key contributors.

He has done a bad job, period. With the whole team.

It's a decent roster. I'd rank it somewhere slightly above league average, thanks to Herm.

Quarterback and head coach issues completely undermine it.

There is no way that Routt is even in Carr's league.

The last two seasons here Carr was a very good corner.

Routt is average on a good day, and utter dogshit on his worst.

Definitely not defending the guy. As I've said, he was so stubborn, arrogant, and unbelievably bad at ****ing up the few really key decisions here that I'm 100% on board the Fire Pioli bandwagon.

But while Herm's talent provided a nice foundation, we have to remember this is a team that had less than 10 even halfway decent players out of 53. We now have a pretty solid starting lineup in most of the 22, and some quality depth. And we did it without spending very much money, so we're in tremendous cap shape.

Pioli set the team up for the next guy to take over such that a new coaching staff and a real QB turns this team into a deep playoff contender.

Interested to hear how you rationalize this? How important is the QB position? He certainly royally screwed the pooch on that one HUGE part. That alone is worth more than 10% **** up.

Carr just completely shut down Victor Cruz.

Heyward-Bey and Moore just curb-stomped Routt.

5-10% worse my ass.

So the team is only 60.5% of what it was when Pioli took over?

Maybe.

It sure isn't better. :shake:

This.

4 years later, and our best players are STILL the guys that were already here.

Christ, even Eric Berry, who we all thought was a can't miss guy has been ****ing brutal.

Clay, you nailed it regarding that list of players. Mediocre. At best.

Anybody else think Carr has turned out to be the better CB than Flowers? Not that Flowers is a piece of shit or anything. It's just that Carr is that damn good.

I'm talking about this being the 80-20 principle. 80% of your success is depending on 20% of your team. And it so happens that Pioli ****ed up a lot of that 20%. Royally, and in ways he can't repair.

Trust me, this is anything but a defense of the guy.

Again, agree to disagree.

We need two WRs, a G, depth at HB, and probably a center if Hudson doesn't recover (that was a bad ****ing injury). We might need a TE. Debatable.

Oh yeah, and two quarterbacks.

I'm willing to let Poe have a chance at NT next year. So we'll need a complete overhaul at defensive end, probably a replacement for Belcher, a new starting CB, and at least one safety.

The depth on this team is crap and everyone knows it. Who plays OLB if Hali or Houston go down? Scrub city.

The roster was completely, completely overrated the whole offseason. But that's what you get when people think Allen Bailey and Dexter McCluster are worth shit. They ain't.

Well Pioli is succeeding at getting to 1% interest.

I'll say this.....I'm as guilty as the next guy in thinking how great this team looks on paper. However, it's difficult to condemn the entire team based on poor coaching and HORRIBLE QB play. I truely believe our Defense is better than they've shown, but with a Cassel led offense that couldn't score on WVU it's difficult to judge the Defense. We've proven that we can run the ball. I've become more for changing the coaching staff, Pioli, and Cassel....then evaluating the team as opposed to a complete overhaul.

Don't even get me going about Carr. SOOOOOO many here said Routt was just as good as Carr. He isn't. Not even close. So, what do I get for being right? Nothing, except to see my secondary get abused week to week.