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If we're talking Flea or Les Claypool you might have an argument because they're likely to add creativity to what was originally written to the point that it changes the song. When we start talking John Entwhistle there's still an argument but when we start talking Rick Savage from Def Leppard the argument goes out the window. The vast majority of "bassists" in this world are in it for the pussy and are ****ing useless. It's a shame because the bass can be so powerful. |
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BTW- please don't assume I'm ignorant. I can play bass better than Rick Savage on his best day, (that's not saying much). I've also met a man on the street who has played the kazoo through his nose professionally for 43 years. |
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Bass has been my main instrument for several decades. I've played classic rock, alternative, metal, punk, blues, jazz, Motown, funk, country and pretty much every other form of popular music you can think of in that time. Bass is an essential part of all of that music. It creates the groove that makes a style what it is. I can literally change the feel of a song by playing a different bass line. And about the only styles that routinely play only on the root as you said are punk and some metal. Even Rick Savage doesn't just play on the root, although you are correct, he isn't a great bass player. Now I'm off my soapbox. One more thing, you can't always tell how good a bass player is by their recorded bass lines. A good bass player plays for the song. Sometimes that means keeping it simple, because that is what works for the music. Michael Anthony is a much better bass player than he appears to be listening to Van Halen, because in VH he plays it simple to keep out of Eddie's way. That it the job of the bass, to support the song. |
I laughed out loud at the "telling Brian hes fired part" LMAO
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P.S. - I know there's no such thing as an original chord progression these days but you catch my drift. |
I used to listen to Slayer all the time. I haven't heard any of their albums since Seasons in the Abyss, though. I didn't realize they were still a band.
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Led Zeppelin shared credit. Lennon and McCartney agreed to have both names on their Beatles songs regardless of which one actually wrote it. Other bands don't do it that way. |
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A band like Credence Clearwater Revival got all their music and direction from one guy--John Fogerty. He wrote the music, he played lead guitar, he fronted the band and he was the lead singer. Most bands aren't like this. For example Fleetwood Mac had several members writing music and bringing the music in to be recorded. Different members of the band brought in their music with the lyrics, and the others basically said "yes, let's do it" or "no, let's not record this song." It was way more collaborative. I'm not a big Slayer fan so I don't know who the main influences are in the songs. However Lombardo is an original member so he's probably got some kind of legitimate beef as to why he's not making as much as some of the other guys in the band. Especially if he helped write the music and helped define Slayer's style in the early days due to his creative influence. Did he help with lyrics? Did he help with the format of the songs? Did he help when producing the music? Was he in the studio and there when the tracks were being cut, did he have a say about that? Etc., |
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Raining Blood cover sans bass. Seemed appropriate.
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These days it seems like drummers are becoming more dispensable with the technology that's available in even the lowest grade of studio. Look at Chris Adler from Lamb of God. He could probably be replaced by Richard Christie over the course of a week or so. In this time and age Drummers are replaceable. A good/creative bass player is far more rare. |
FWIW, Lombardo was an awesome drummer. His musical talent stood out to me more than the rest of the band's.
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Most drummers think the final product is at least partially a result of their "creative" input from their percussive instruments. Drummers...:rolleyes: Very few Drummers actually contribute to the fundamental components of songwriting. Those who do are paid. Those who don't demand that they're paid. |
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