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The Franchise 01-07-2014 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10353944)
Not too bad. I like that it's clear and concise what you're trying to do, and I love that roster.

Some criticisms from my point of view:

Smith and Houston both need to be extended before Berry. We can't trot Houston out there for anything less than $7m next year (my estimation), and Smith will probably need to be around $10m. Berry's contract is unimportant compared to them, other than to clear some cap space -- which I know you're doing. But Smith and Houston will likely eat that capspace up. There's no way we'll have room for Tait or Hood, but one can dream...

We're going to have to hit a homerun in the draft if we want to be Super Bowl contenders, I'm afraid, as well as have Fisher, Kelce, and Commings all pan out.

As for your draft, pretty solid. My biggest criticism is with the idea of moving Berry to FS when he's played at an All Pro level at SS. That's akin to all the True Fans who've begged to move Albert inside from Day One.
The thing with Houston is that you aren't required to give him a new deal right now. He's not going to be making as less as everyone thinks he is. Under the CBA....all players drafted in the 3-7 round range are given an escalator if they reach certain playing time percentages. Houston has more than surpassed those percentages. So he'll end up getting anywhere from a $1.5 million to $2 million dollar escalator on his deal.

And moving Berry is in no way akin to moving Albert. The cries to move Albert were so we could draft another LT. I'm saying draft a SS and move Berry to better utilize his skills. Like I stated though...it's just what I would do. Not what I expect the Chiefs to do.

McBeard 01-07-2014 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10353966)
The thing with Houston is that you aren't required to give him a new deal right now. He's not going to be making as less as everyone thinks he is. Under the CBA....all players drafted in the 3-7 round range are given an escalator if they reach certain playing time percentages. Houston has more than surpassed those percentages. So he'll end up getting anywhere from a $1.5 million to $2 million dollar escalator on his deal.

Didn't Pioli do something similar with Carr? It seems like we sort of got screwed by that. There was speculation it pissed him off because he didn't get a real deal. After he signed that deal right before training camp it seemed like he was done negotiating. It could back fire. It almost seems like something teams do to players they don't plan keeping long term.

I could be way off here.

Mav 01-07-2014 06:06 PM
Question Sir. You cut gray, specifically cut gray, and he made your depth chart.

I really love this mock.

And yes, Riley Cooper, is an unrestricted free agent by the way.

Kudos on Ebron. We all know how I feel about his ass.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-01-0...per-nate-allen

The Franchise 01-07-2014 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10354020)
Question Sir. You cut gray, specifically cut gray, and he made your depth chart.

I really love this mock.

And yes, Riley Cooper, is an unrestricted free agent by the way.

Kudos on Ebron. We all know how I feel about his ass.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-01-0...per-nate-allen
I initially cut Gray and then decided against it....but didn't remove the first part. Nice catch. Thanks.

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-07-2014 06:47 PM
I really don't understand why so many don't want McCluster back.

He had a great year as a punt return specialist and I think he'll be even better next year.

BossChief 01-07-2014 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 10354071)
I really don't understand why so many don't want McCluster back.

He had a great year as a punt return specialist and I think he'll be even better next year.
I think most understand that McCluster likely played himself out of our price range for his role on this team. If he can be brought back under 2 million per year, fine...otherwise we need to upgrade our receivers.

I think he will probably get more than that from somebody, though.

BossChief 01-07-2014 07:14 PM
Also, pest weren't you giving me shit about talking up the tight end class the other day as a direction we should take? Something about "what do you do with McGrath? Cut him?...maybe I just misunderstood.

Obviously, I think Ebron would be a phenomenal pick and if he is gone when we pick, there are two other tight ends I'd e ok with selecting at that point.

KCFaninSEA 01-07-2014 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 10354071)
I really don't understand why so many don't want McCluster back.

He had a great year as a punt return specialist and I think he'll be even better next year.
For me this has an easy answer. Dexter made 1.4 this year and will want a raise. That is fine but I can't see paying what he will be asking for to a guy whose only real contribution is as a punt returner. I'm not saying anything except this team will need more for the money he will want. I also don't like that Dexter seems to not break tackles.

The Franchise 01-07-2014 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10354108)
Also, pest weren't you giving me shit about talking up the tight end class the other day as a direction we should take? Something about "what do you do with McGrath? Cut him?...maybe I just misunderstood.

Obviously, I think Ebron would be a phenomenal pick and if he is gone when we pick, there are two other tight ends I'd e ok with selecting at that point.
I wasn't talking shit..... more asking what would you do with McGrath. Didn't mean it come off that way. ...my bad.

BossChief 01-07-2014 08:30 PM
As far as McGrath and Fasano go, neither guy is anything special. Fasano was a one step forward, two steps back guy and McGrath is JAG.

I am probably as high on Kelce as anyone on this board (I reported on him while at camp multiple times and the guy looked like a difference maker at the position) ...but not many players that lose their first year to injury ever e one anything special. Hopefully, Kelce becomes an outlier to that.

If we are able to go into the season with Kelce and Ebron/Amaro or Jenkins, the receivers we have are probably good enough.

I know this is gonna seem far fetched, but I think a trio of Kelce-Ebron-McGrath/Fasano would be top 5 in the league as a position group.

Dunerdr 01-07-2014 08:42 PM
Your draft I don't agree with. Your other moves I'd like. But I think we resign Kyle Williams for peanuts on the dollar. Pending health I think he and Jenkins could become contributors in this offense nothing super special but solid depth maybe more. I'd love to see a Tate, Bowe, Avery and a panned out Kelce set with Charles out of the back! I get a chub thinking about this offense with one more legitimate threat.

chiefzilla1501 01-07-2014 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by KCFaninSEA (Post 10354178)
For me this has an easy answer. Dexter made 1.4 this year and will want a raise. That is fine but I can't see paying what he will be asking for to a guy whose only real contribution is as a punt returner. I'm not saying anything except this team will need more for the money he will want. I also don't like that Dexter seems to not break tackles.
What has been surprising is how good Dexter has become before and during the catch. I think he's an okay runner -- better than his critics say, but definitely not the gamechanger some make him out to be. But he has become an excellent route runner and he had the most reliable hands by a mile of our receivers this year. And in most close games at the end of the year, he came out with some big time, difficult catches in really crucial moments.

I don't mind overpaying the guy. Of course, I don't want to break the bank either. Dex is looking good as a hands receiver who is also excellent at returning punts. Even if he gets demoted to #4 WR, he could play a really valuable role for this team.

Easy 6 01-07-2014 09:15 PM
If we're wanting more sack production from the ends, I'm not sure what Hood gives us that Jackson cant.

Hoods best year is 3, Jackson had 4 this year.

Not saying I want to keep Jackson, just saying I want a better pass rush from our ends.

I definitely like the offense to defense ratio in your mock.

Saccopoo 01-07-2014 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10354252)
What has been surprising is how good Dexter has become before and during the catch. I think he's an okay runner -- better than his critics say, but definitely not the gamechanger some make him out to be. But he has become an excellent route runner and he had the most reliable hands by a mile of our receivers this year. And in most close games at the end of the year, he came out with some big time, difficult catches in really crucial moments.

I don't mind overpaying the guy. Of course, I don't want to break the bank either. Dex is looking good as a hands receiver who is also excellent at returning punts. Even if he gets demoted to #4 WR, he could play a really valuable role for this team.
Agree.

His flexibility on offense and special teams provides a lot of options. Those options might not be "A or B", but he can find a spot all over the field. As well, as stated above, he's turned out to be a quality route runner with decent hands.

And I don't think he'll want exorbitant amounts of money.

I also like the concept of Riley Cooper as a free agent. Guy can catch a ball.

Buehler445 01-07-2014 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 10354071)
I really don't understand why so many don't want McCluster back.

He had a great year as a punt return specialist and I think he'll be even better next year.
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10354103)
I think most understand that McCluster likely played himself out of our price range for his role on this team. If he can be brought back under 2 million per year, fine...otherwise we need to upgrade our receivers.

I think he will probably get more than that from somebody, though.
Pretty much this. He's going to command more than he's worth IMO.


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