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Saccopoo 01-12-2014 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10364539)
Priority #2 is to further beef up that passrush. Offenses are figuring out how to block Hali/Houston/Poe, so we need to add another weapon in there to punish them. Jackson and DeVito are not the answer there, obviously. And Bailey is streaky at best, though he is a good player -- and nobody can bank on Catapano just yet.

This team needs to make a serious investment at DE and give offensive lines migraines trying to figure out how you're going to block so many elite passrushing talents. Tuitt is a gamechanger in that regard. Although if this team was able to track down Antonio Smith out of Houston, I'd be cool with that, too.

Now, I'm a DL homer, always have been -- I almost always go DL in the first round when I'm not going QB. But my point stands.

That's bullshit.

Poe, Hali and Houston are supposedly destroyers of worlds, Pro Bowl level guys. These are your guys who should be giving "offensive lines migraines trying to figure out how you're going to block so many elite passrushing talents."

Teams don't figure out how to block them, especially all three of them at one time. They should be kicking complete and utter ass. All game, every game.

And you most certainly don't draft high on top of them, if they are of that talent level, especially Houston and Poe, who are very young in their careers.

You want to maximize the DE spot? Then shift Poe over there on first downs and have Powe play NT, a la Ngata. That's how you maximize a 6'4", 350 lbs. guy who is bull strong and runs a 4.8 40.

DeVito is totally solid. So is Jackson. Between Poe, Hali and Houston, they should be blowing shit up like Dresden in WWII. You don't need to spend another first rounder on a guy like Tuitt, who you hope can rush the passer from the five tech spot when you've already got Bailey and Catapano who are already doing that in subpackages anyway and have Hali and Houston.

A backup to OLB is needed. But you don't blow a high draft pick on that guy - as he's going to be a backup/special teams guy.

Saccopoo 01-12-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10364596)
Correct. Although, when I state that getting better talent in the secondary....I mean FS...not CB. A starting FS would mean a lot to this defense.

This team could absolutely use a true lock down, press cover corner.

I'm hoping that Cooper makes the effort this off season to become that guy. He's got the skillset to do it.

I also think that Abdullah has a shot at becoming a very solid FS. He made big strides as the season went on. And I wouldn't mind seeing them draft a guy like KSU's Zimmerman later in the draft to see if he translates to the pro level. The guy is the best ballhawk in the draft at the safety position IMO.

RunKC 01-12-2014 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10364881)
That's bullshit.

Poe, Hali and Houston are supposedly destroyers of worlds, Pro Bowl level guys. These are your guys who should be giving "offensive lines migraines trying to figure out how you're going to block so many elite passrushing talents."

Teams don't figure out how to block them, especially all three of them at one time. They should be kicking complete and utter ass. All game, every game.

And you most certainly don't draft high on top of them, if they are of that talent level, especially Houston and Poe, who are very young in their careers.

You want to maximize the DE spot? Then shift Poe over there on first downs and have Powe play NT, a la Ngata. That's how you maximize a 6'4", 350 lbs. guy who is bull strong and runs a 4.8 40.

DeVito is totally solid. So is Jackson. Between Poe, Hali and Houston, they should be blowing shit up like Dresden in WWII. You don't need to spend another first rounder on a guy like Tuitt, who you hope can rush the passer from the five tech spot when you've already got Bailey and Catapano who are already doing that in subpackages anyway and have Hali and Houston.

A backup to OLB is needed. But you don't blow a high draft pick on that guy - as he's going to be a backup/special teams guy.

Tyson Jackson ****ing sucks. He can't get a pass rush to save his life.

I don't give a flying **** if we have those 3 or not. You add to that front 7 more and more. The NYG had Kiwanuka, Tuck and JPP but they keep adding guys like Damontre Moore and Jonathan Hankins.

SF has both Smith's, Willis, Bowman and Brooks, but yet they keep adding guys like Tank Carradine and Corey Lemonier.

Teams already have trouble matching up with our trio of monsters, but I want more than that.

Plus we have to consider that Tamba isn't going to be here much longer. Need to develop a guy to replace him.

Chief Roundup 01-12-2014 04:21 PM

I believe we will resign Schwartz, Jackson, Demps, and probably McCluster.

O.city 01-12-2014 04:31 PM

You also can't play those three every down.

Chief Roundup 01-12-2014 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10365038)
You also can't play those three every down.

Depth is definitely important. I know our players were getting tired and all, but I still think a lot of the responsibility for second half failures was the lack of adjustment.
Another reason for the drafting of DL is money and the cap. We will not be able to afford to keep the same 2 top pass rushers. The money required and the cap makes that almost impossible. We may have to let Tamba go if we want to keep Houston. It would be the best financially to get that piece from the draft.
So between the financials and high quality depth for a consistent fresh rotation it is very important to keep drafting DL/OLB high even though they might to be flashy picks at the time.

RunKC 01-12-2014 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10365038)
You also can't play those three every down.

Absolutely 100% correct. I want great depth to come in.

Hoover 01-12-2014 05:17 PM

Re: Lamarr Houston

Going to be hard to sign a Raider when they have a ton of cap space and we basically have none.

Hoover 01-12-2014 05:20 PM

As for the draft, the only defensive position that I would even consider using our first round pick on is a FS. That is true position of need and even with that being the case, I fully expect Dorsey and Reid to get Alex Smith some toys to play with. TE, WR, or Lineman.

O.city 01-12-2014 06:10 PM

I think a bi reason for our defensive collapse was that we just rode it so hard early in the year, guys playing every down etc, that thy ran out of gas.

We need to pour resources into the front 7. The panthers have a shit back end, but up front, they're nasty.

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-12-2014 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10364881)
That's bullshit.

Poe, Hali and Houston are supposedly destroyers of worlds, Pro Bowl level guys. These are your guys who should be giving "offensive lines migraines trying to figure out how you're going to block so many elite passrushing talents."

Teams don't figure out how to block them, especially all three of them at one time. They should be kicking complete and utter ass. All game, every game.

And you most certainly don't draft high on top of them, if they are of that talent level, especially Houston and Poe, who are very young in their careers.

You want to maximize the DE spot? Then shift Poe over there on first downs and have Powe play NT, a la Ngata. That's how you maximize a 6'4", 350 lbs. guy who is bull strong and runs a 4.8 40.

DeVito is totally solid. So is Jackson. Between Poe, Hali and Houston, they should be blowing shit up like Dresden in WWII. You don't need to spend another first rounder on a guy like Tuitt, who you hope can rush the passer from the five tech spot when you've already got Bailey and Catapano who are already doing that in subpackages anyway and have Hali and Houston.

A backup to OLB is needed. But you don't blow a high draft pick on that guy - as he's going to be a backup/special teams guy.

Well ,allthat shit was good the first 9 games then it all dissapeared. They need more help or at least more rotation.

The Franchise 01-12-2014 06:38 PM

Tyson Jackson has not turned into a great player. And you don't have to hope that Tuitt can rush from the 5 technique. ....he ****ing CAN.

RunKC 01-12-2014 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10365510)
I think a bi reason for our defensive collapse was that we just rode it so hard early in the year, guys playing every down etc, that thy ran out of gas.

We need to pour resources into the front 7. The panthers have a shit back end, but up front, they're nasty.

I hope they do this because I agree with it 100%

O.city 01-12-2014 08:29 PM

Look at all the good defenses league wide.

9ers
Seahawks
Panthers
Etc

They all have a deep talented dl and lb core


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