Agreed, though Walter Jones was a pretty good Left Tackle.

I'm more pissed that they gave a spot to a ****ing punter. It's a shame Dr. Z isn't still writing. He was the main reason Guy never made it in the Hall, and it should have stayed that way.

Tackles will usually make it over guards. Right or wrong, it's become sort of a glamor position.

Didn't someone say or a Peter King maybe that there was another punter from that era that had better stats than Ray Guy?

Peter King and Dr. Z have lobbied against Ray Guy, and they have a great point. I think Dr. Z said that Ray Guy's net punt average was somewhere in the low 30's. The guy punted for distance, never punted coffin corners, consistently led the league in touchbacks, and punted down the middle of the field instead of the sidelines.

Him getting into the hall of fame let alone the lobbying to get him in are just silly.

Weak sauce.

Apparently when they cut the finalists group from 15 to 10... Shields did make it, so hopefully that means he's close.

You could probably have a good debate whether Reed deserves to be in over Marvin Harrison. And Kevin Greene got left out again.

Aeneas Williams was not that good.

Yes but if any punter was to make it in it should be Guy. Roby a distant second...

He was ok, Hall of Very Good IMO, but not of Fame.


That's my main problem with the NFL hall. They are not exclusive enough like the MLB hall is. Too many Hall of Very Good players in. baseball is much more exclusive.

Maybe we need to send them the GIF of Shields putting Ray Lewis on his back when they were both in their prime.

What a complete ****ing joke.

Andre Reed? Strahan? ****ing Derrick Brooks? Aeneas Williams?

Apparently the HOF has now become a repository for the Hall of the Very Good without including the great.

Is Andre Reed even one of the 20 best WRs of all time?

Averaged 63 catches for 879 yards per year and 5.8 TDs

Dwayne Bowe averages 67 catches for 914 yards and 6.3 TDs.

This. How the **** is Williams even in a HOF discussion.

if they let these guys of the late 90s/early 00s in that means they are going to let every stat padder of the last 10 years of the passing league in.

Yeah I think that's more perplexing than Aeneas Williams. He was a pretty good CB... I'm not sure if he's HOF worthy but he got kind of got lost in Arizona for most of his career. I'm sure there are fans in other cities who would treat Shields the same way.

But I probably would've voted Marvin Harrison in over Reed. I know he played with Manning, but still. Harrison had a great rookie year playing with Jim Harbaugh. He was a great, great WR. Awesome hands, the best route runner you'll see.

Hall of Famer Dwayne Bowe in 2025!