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O.city 02-02-2014 01:45 PM
Hagemans just a nasty mother too.

RunKC 02-02-2014 02:02 PM
This team needs:

-At least 2 new WR's that are fast and can get separation and get it fast. Think of Manning against us in Denver. We need to have that against good D's next year. Quick 3 step drops to WR's that can get open fast.

-DE that can actually create havoc in the backfield

-1 more athletic TE. This can be in the mid rounds or FA.

-Depth. Need OL, OLB and DB depth

Mr_Tomahawk 02-02-2014 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10407951)
This team needs:

-At least 2 new WR's that are fast and can get separation and get it fast. Think of Manning against us in Denver. We need to have that against good D's next year. Quick 3 step drops to WR's that can get open fast.

-DE that can actually create havoc in the backfield

-1 more athletic TE. This can be in the mid rounds or FA.

-Depth. Need OL, OLB and DB depth
DB depth? You mean starters?

Besides Berry...our secondary starters are overrated, yes that includes Flowers.

TambaBerry 02-02-2014 03:19 PM
I'm just going to keep preaching this, Gilbert, Dennard, or Pryor is a must in that first round if they last.

Sorter 02-02-2014 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10407770)
Tyson Jackson was as good a, if not better, pass defender than either Hageman or Tuitt at the same level. And they are going to be drafted as a two down five tech DE.

He's established himself as one of the better run defenders in the NFL and he's coming off his best sack totals in his four seasons.

Tuitt and Hageman would be in the exact same boat as Jackson was four seasons ago. Projects who are going to struggle against NFL OL's.

The position and system itself requires "just a guy" who is adapt at stopping the run. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Jackson qualifies.

As well, there is the potential, if Sutton chooses to do so, of running a 46 a bit more with Powe at NT and shifting Poe out to the DE.

Either that or run a 34 like the Ravens did with Kelley (Powe) at NT and Ngata (Poe) at DE.

As of right now, I don't see that either Hageman (who I like a lot, btw) or Tuitt offer any substantial ceiling over what you are currently getting with Jackson - at least for the position/system.
I really don't understand your obsession with the 46.

O.city 02-02-2014 04:10 PM
Sorter, what are your thoughts on Hageman?

Sorter 02-02-2014 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10408173)
Sorter, what are your thoughts on Hageman?
http://media2.giphy.com/media/brDwVn5kGIz3W/giphy.gif

O.city 02-02-2014 04:15 PM
I don't think there's any way e falls to is though

Sorter 02-02-2014 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10408186)
I don't think there's any way e falls to is though
I agree.

Saccopoo 02-02-2014 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10408164)
I really don't understand your obsession with the 46.
It's based primarily on Berry, Houston, Hali and Poe.

Berry is already playing the "Plank" safety position. He's exactly what the system calls for. Perfect for it.

And Sutton doesn't seem to believe in anything other than man press coverage from his corners.

Really, we are playing it currently when they go to a side overload with Houston and Hali on it - other than having the three DT's on the line, and both Powe and Poe have shown the ability to blow the OL up.

I think that the one thing that we really missed in it was the rangy free safety, and that's why the concept of signing Burnett, Allen or Wright is key as all three are a major upgrade to Lewis as it currently stands.

Sorter 02-02-2014 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10408215)
It's based primarily on Berry, Houston, Hali and Poe.
You realize there's a reason that alignment isn't used with high frequency anymore, right?

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And Sutton doesn't seem to believe in anything other than man press coverage from his corners.
That's not true. It is more accurate in regards to sub packages, especially in the second half of the season.

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Really, we are playing it currently when they go to a side overload with Houston and Hali on it
- No, it's not. We've used a 46 this season. It isn't an overload.



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I think that the one thing that we really missed in it was the rangy free safety, and that's why the concept of signing Burnett, Allen or Wright is key as all three are a major upgrade to Lewis as it currently stands.
This is the only part of your post that makes sense.

Sorter 02-02-2014 05:11 PM
Sac, here's the 46 out of the Jets PB.

http://i.imgur.com/gn1Ao0O.png

http://i.imgur.com/WPyHoC9.png

Not an overload. Additionally, you'll (hopefully) be able to see why this alignment isn't used against most of the alignments used in the NFL currently. That isn't even taking into account personnel groupings + additional variables that would dictate when you would use this alignment based on game planning (down and distance, run/pass %s, and location OTF).

O.city 02-02-2014 06:28 PM
I hope Brandin Cooks tests really small and falls into the 3rd round. I think he could be a Percy Harvin type player.

O.city 02-02-2014 07:05 PM
And after watching the first half of this Broncos game, someone plant some drugs on Hageman so he falls to us.

Saccopoo 02-02-2014 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10408225)
You realize there's a reason that alignment isn't used with high frequency anymore, right?
Actually, it's being used specifically for/against the spread by a number of college teams.

Oregon has employed it since 2009 with defensive coordinator Nick Aliotti throwing some modernizations at it. And it's been very effective as the Ducks defense has been highly ranked since it's implimentation.

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That's not true. It is more accurate in regards to sub packages, especially in the second half of the season.

- No, it's not. We've used a 46 this season. It isn't an overload.
Depends on the variants used. The Bears used an overload with regularity in their base 46.

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This is the only part of your post that makes sense.
See above.


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