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Mr_Tomahawk 02-20-2014 10:34 PM

Boo.

Your last one was better.

Our first two pics, in no particular order, should address the secondary, and be the best pass rusher available...

This offense just put up 40+ points on the road without its best player. The defense needs more help...

Saccopoo 02-20-2014 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10444343)
Boo.

Your last one was better.

Our first two pics, in no particular order, should address the secondary, and be the best pass rusher available...

This offense just put up 40+ points on the road without its best player. The defense needs more help...

More help than what?

Six Pro Bowl players?

Five first round draft choices?

There isn't many teams in the league that have that much "help."

OldSchool 02-21-2014 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10444246)
Since you've most likely have not seen a Utah game this year, you'll have to go off of YouTube highlights.

Tell me if he's getting his ass kicked here against UCLA:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/hDUEA2FdeIw?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

My honest view of both players:

McGill - Good enough speed to run with most receivers on deep routes, uses his length well in pass defense. Lacks elite quickness to be a true shut down corner as he will struggle against quicker players on double moves or outs in a man coverage scheme. Against the run game, McGill does not display the effort or tenacity to fight through blocks and is often easily blocked out of a play by much smaller receivers; it's not unusual to see a much smaller player lock onto McGill and take him out of the play. He is definitely better in off coverage and has poor press technique, which is the reason why most teams see him as a FS. I see him as a better fit there as well, just from watching his style of play. The other problem I have with him is that he isn't really tough and has medical red flags; I would expect that of a smaller player, not someone who is 6'3" and 216 pounds. I wouldn't spend anything earlier than a 4th on McGill because of these factors.

SJB - Good quickness and fluidity for his size, good ball skills, much more physical than McGill, and has a strong punch in press coverage. His issue is that if a WR has decent speed and gets a step on him, it's over; SJB lacks the recovery speed to get back into the play. He reminds me a lot of Sean Smith and I'd rather have someone who has more speed to their game than our current starters do.

I'd prefer Jason Verrett over both of them.

jonzie04 02-21-2014 03:08 AM

delete. mixed up verrett with someone else.

Titty Meat 02-21-2014 11:10 AM

SJB won't be their in the 5th round saw on Twitter he could be a first round pick.

TEX 02-21-2014 11:36 AM

10. The Chiefs sign OT Ryan Harris (Texans) to a 1 year, $2m deal.

???? Have you ever seen this stiff play????? This dude can't get out of his own way. You're way off with this one but on target with the rest IMO, EXCEPT with your position on DEX.

RealSNR 02-21-2014 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10444358)
More help than what?

Six Pro Bowl players?

Five first round draft choices?

There isn't many teams in the league that have that much "help."

What's your solution to getting this defense playing at a level that can hold a goddamn 28 point lead in less than 2 quarters of football?

O.city 02-21-2014 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10445134)
What's your solution to getting this defense playing at a level that can hold a goddamn 28 point lead in less than 2 quarters of football?

The 6 pro bowlers and high contract players actually play up to that level?

OldSchool 02-21-2014 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10445301)
The 6 pro bowlers and high contract players actually play up to that level?

I think the only way to do that is to create more competition, draft some guys who can push the starters.

Mr_Tomahawk 02-21-2014 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10444358)
More help than what?

Six Pro Bowl players?

Five first round draft choices?

There isn't many teams in the league that have that much "help."

Pro bowl players.... ROFL

Anyway

You think this defense is fine....? One side of the ball scored 40+ points with a new QB and missing their best player. The other side of the ball gave up 40+ points with the same core of "pro bowl players" that have been around for the last 4 years....

Yeah why waste another 1st rnd pick on the defense. They are fiiiiiiiiine.

Bewbies 02-21-2014 07:41 PM

Our defense needs a vocal leader with an attitude that infects. And depth.

We also need depth. But we need depth everywhere. And more depth.

Exoter175 02-24-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10443359)
Assumptions:

1. The Chiefs extend Alex Smith 4 years, $60m ($36m guaranteed), and S Eric Berry 6 years, $45m ($23m guaranteed).

2. The Chiefs restructure OLB Tamba Hali.

4. The Chiefs re-sign OG Geoff Schwartz to a 3 year, $6m deal.

5. The Chiefs place a 6th round tender on Jerrell Powe.

7. The Chiefs re-sign ILB Akeem Jordan to a minimal deal.

8. The Chiefs let walk: WR Kyle Williams, WR Dexter McCluster, OT Brandon Albert, OG Jon Asamoah, DE Tyson Jackson, OLB Frank Zombo, S Kendrick Lewis, S Quentin Demps, S Husain Abdullah

9. The Chiefs cut TE Anthony Fasano.

10. The Chiefs sign OT Ryan Harris (Texans) to a 1 year, $2m deal.

On with the show:

1.30. OLB Dee Ford, Auburn

The 49ers need/want to move up and have too many picks, the Chiefs need more picks. These two front offices love each other anyway, so the trade here works out. The 49ers move up to #23 in exchange for a 3rd, 5th, and 7th.

I can't help it right now. I might be going through a phase or something. I tried putting in a WR or TE here, but I can't take my eyes off Ford as a 1st round prospect. He is simply too dynamic off the edge who, for my money, is the 3rd best pure passrusher in this draft behind Clowney and Mack. The Chiefs are probably parting ways with Hali next offseason anyway, so this is a key investment to make sure the team has the smoothest possible transition while giving the team dynamic, athletic talent.

3.87. TE C.J. Fiedorowicz, Iowa

The Chiefs let Fasano walk this offseason because he's due $8m over the next two seasons -- noooo thank you. So that leaves them only with Travis Kelce and Sean McGrath.

Fiedorowicz looks too much like Heath Miller for me to ignore. He's a day one starter with good route-running, great hands and probably the best blocker in this class. He lacks the top end speed of Ebron or Seferian-Jenkins but next to Amaro, he's the most pro-ready prospect at TE. As of now, he is the Day One starter until Kelce can earn it back.

3.94. WR Bruce Ellington, South Carolina

The choice here was hard between Ellington and Mike Davis, but I'm playing Dorsey here, which means I should favor the greater athleticism and higher roof. Ellington's potential, in that regard, is through the roof. The Chiefs need more weapons for Alex Smith, and Ellington is nothing if not a weapon. A firecracker of a playmaker, Ellington's smallish size is offset by his fantastic speed and playmaking ability, as well as the fact that he's never spent 100% on football -- splitting time with basketball, where he happens to have been the Gamecocks' best player.

4.119. FS Terrance Brooks, Florida State

Brooks has been a really good player for a very talented Seminoles' secondary. He has two years experience displaying really good range and good support against the run. I'm not sure the Chiefs are able to land a single-high safety talent in either this draft or free agency -- I simply don't see the talent. But they can do the next best thing by adding a free safety who makes plays in coverage, finally giving the Chiefs the decent play there that they've been missing for years.

Brooks will compete with Sanders Commings for starting FS duties.

5.151. CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste, Nebraska

Now, I have knocked Jean-Baptiste almost routinely since he gets burned religiously against the pass. I am not very thrilled about this player at all -- but there's a chance that, if he falls this far, he makes a lot of sense as a developmental prospect, since Dorsey's likely to love his size and physicality.

The Chiefs already have their top four corners locked in for the 2014 season: Flowers, Smith, Cooper, and Parker. They could let both Flowers and Smith go next season, but only Cooper seems to have what it takes to start in their place. Jean-Baptiste has really good upside if you can develop him, which is a big if. With a 5th rounder, the Chiefs take that chance.

5.158. NT Justin Ellis, Louisiana Tech

The Chiefs need more beef to support Dontari Poe in the middle of the DL, but only Jerrell Powe backs him up and it's not clear the Chiefs like Powe at all -- which is regrettable, considering he's an excellent backup at the position with starter upside.

The Chiefs should look at adding either Ellis (preferably) or McCullers if the value is fair. Poe wore down as the season went on, and Ellis reminds me a lot of Jerrell Powe. He's an immovable slug in the heart of your DL who can get reliable push up the gut. Like Powe, he'll take a little time to develop, but maybe that'll give Powe more time to win over the coaches...

6.177. CB Aaron Colvin, Oklahoma

An investment made here to provide the Chiefs more options at corner in 2015. Colvin is probably out for the 2014 season, but will give the Chiefs a really talented option in 2015.

6.183. WR Jeff Janis, Saginaw Valley

From my review on Janis in the midrounders thread:



7.200. DE Deandre Coleman, California

Coleman is coming off a lousy 2013 season, but flashed streaks of World Beater in 2012. I'm not sure what accounts for that, but assuming it's nothing terrible, Dorsey could take a look at Coleman as a developmental prospect in the 7th. Coleman boasts fantastic size (6'5", 315 lbs) with long arms. He's not particularly athletic, but to me he looks more like an heir to DeVito's position than he does to Tyson Jackson's.

While I love this draft and free agency model very much, I really don't think we can afford to pass on an ILB in the draft this year. While it isn't a "deep" draft by any means for ILB's, we can pickup serious depth and or potential startereven as far as the 4th or 5th round in all likelihood, and if we are trading out of that 1st round spot, we need to capitalize on the late round picks to get another ILB.

OldSchool 02-24-2014 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10450149)
While I love this draft and free agency model very much, I really don't think we can afford to pass on an ILB in the draft this year. While it isn't a "deep" draft by any means for ILB's, we can pickup serious depth and or potential startereven as far as the 4th or 5th round in all likelihood, and if we are trading out of that 1st round spot, we need to capitalize on the late round picks to get another ILB.

Khairi Fortt, 5th-6th round.

SeeingRed 02-25-2014 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10443368)
QB: Smith, Daniel, Bray
RB: Charles, Davis, Gray, McKnight
FB: Sherman

WR: Bowe, Avery, Ellington, Jenkins, Janis, Hemingway
TE: Fiedorowicz, Kelce, McGrath

LT: Fisher/Stephenson, Harrs
LG: Allen, Johnson
C: Hudson, Kush
RG: Schwartz, Johnson
RT: Fisher/Stephenson, Harris

DE: DeVito, Coleman
NT: Poe, Powe, Ellis
DE: Bailey, Catapano

OLB: Hali, Ford
ILB: Jordan, Johnson
ILB: Johnson, Johnson
OLB: Houston, Moses

CB: Flowers, Smith, Cooper, Parker, Jean-Baptiste, Colvin
S: Berry, Commings vs. Brooks, Parker

K: Succop
P: Colquitt
LS: Gafford

I like it but keep Zombo (if anything drop Moses) and I'd rather see a bigger name at WR....i cant see winning the AFC West with that WR group. a rd #1 star in draft or top free agent


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