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Deberg_1990 12-25-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11975012)
You are seriously overstating and over valuing most of these player losses.

I would like to have kept Albert if he could stay healthy, and Swartz at a reasonable contract.
But the fact is, they are all just jags, and the teams that gave them that money overpaid them, and for the most part are likely regretting the coin they dropped to sign them.



Dorsey's done a nice job, but he still has a long way to go.

You are seriously overstating the work, though.

The depth is better, and that has been a contributing factor in this streak, but the reality is that this team is winning because the guys that were here before Dorsey, DJ, Hali, Poe, and Berry are all playing exceptionally well and leading this team.


And you underestimate the work of Dorsey, Reid and A Smith.

Why didn't those guys you mentioned win under other regimes??

RealSNR 12-25-2015 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11975021)
West/Ware have 800+ yards and 9 TD's combined in this 8 game streak, Maclin and Kelce are both going to be 1,000 yard receivers and Peters has more INT's than the entire team last season.

This is a huge credit to Dorsey

Alex's first 1000 yard receiver of his career comes in a year when he has TWO 1000 yard receivers?

Bizarre.

OnTheWarpath15 12-25-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 11975133)
Alex's first 1000 yard receiver of his career comes in a year when he has TWO 1000 yard receivers?

Bizarre.

Actually, Kelce isn't going to get there, IMO.

He needs to average 89 yards over the last two games. He hasn't averaged 89 yards over any two game span this year, and has only broken that mark in a single game once - opening weekend against Houston.

Mr. Laz 12-25-2015 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 11975136)
Actually, Kelce isn't going to get there, IMO.

He needs to average 89 yards over the last two games. He hasn't averaged 89 yards over any two game span this year, and has only broken that mark in a single game once - opening weekend against Houston.

kelce would get their if he wasn't being a dumbass

He cost himself

Tribal Warfare 12-25-2015 12:13 PM

How many laughed when you read that Alex is a Franchise QB.

chiefzilla1501 12-25-2015 12:56 PM

This is too polite. Just call people out for being stupid.

Cp wanted jairus Byrd and DeSean jackson
Most bitched about not bringing back Albert and schwartz
Cp criticized the hell out of anyone who praised the last offseason for being conservative
Cp marginalized the value of comp picks
Cp all demanded a restructure of hali
And to boot, in their tantrum, most of the forum claimed last year's team would be lucky to win 4 games

Dorsey has made some missteps. But they aren't close to the missteps of the dumbass armchair qbs, most of whom call people out the loudest but then squeak a mouse fart when it comes to owning up to mistakes.

Dorsey was right to go light last offseason. We significantly cleaned up our cap situation. We earned a ton of comp picks. And we improved a lot of positions on the cheap that we could have spent a shitload of money on. And not panicking on dumbass restructures like Hali gave us leverage to negotiate an ultra friendly contract this year. Period.

Halfcan 12-25-2015 01:50 PM

"run stopping extraordinaire Tyson Jackson"

This part made me laugh out loud.

OnTheWarpath15 12-25-2015 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11975199)
This is too polite. Just call people out for being stupid.

Cp wanted jairus Byrd and DeSean jackson
Most bitched about not bringing back Albert and schwartz
Cp criticized the hell out of anyone who praised the last offseason for being conservative
Cp marginalized the value of comp picks
Cp all demanded a restructure of hali
And to boot, in their tantrum, most of the forum claimed last year's team would be lucky to win 4 games

Dorsey has made some missteps. But they aren't close to the missteps of the dumbass armchair qbs, most of whom call people out the loudest but then squeak a mouse fart when it comes to owning up to mistakes.

Dorsey was right to go light last offseason. We significantly cleaned up our cap situation. We earned a ton of comp picks. And we improved a lot of positions on the cheap that we could have spent a shitload of money on. And not panicking on dumbass restructures like Hali gave us leverage to negotiate an ultra friendly contract this year. Period.

And with all that said...

If they don't win a playoff game - or two - or God forbid **** up and miss them all together somehow - it won't matter.

Competitive regular seasons should be the floor at this point. Winning consistently in January is the mark of a successful organization.

NJChiefsFan 12-25-2015 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11975033)
I am not saying that Dorsey hasn't done a great job.
He has.

But Direckshun has oversold it with his observations.

Some of, if not all, those free agent losses have been insignificant, while many of the free agent signings have been okay, at best.

It certainly did help the Chiefs that those over-paid talents weren't retained with KC.

Saccopoo 12-25-2015 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11975019)
Dude, have you SEEN the QB contracts this league's been handing out to middle of the road QBs? Cutler, Kaepernick, Dalton.

QB play is so atrocious in the NFL that even middle class QBs have all the leverage over their teams.

We've got a fair deal that doesn't hurt the rest of the team, cap-wise.

Considering that this is going to be our third straight winning season with Smith as our QB and what looks to be the second appearence in the playoffs in three years, I'd say we got a goddamn bargain considering what Smith signed for.

And for this system and what he's done with it, I would hardly consider Smith "middle of the road." Maybe the best QB in the NFL for what Reid runs and it's really taken two plus seasons to finally get this ship righted and playing to their potential. And that's still with a questionable receiving corps and a continually rotating offensive line that's starting two rookies (Morse and LDT) and a guy at RT (Jah Reid) who was discarded by what is currently the worst team in the NFL (Ravens).

I mean, the guy got internal organs ruptured he was getting hit so much and so hard last season playing behind what might have been the worst line in football while throwing to the worst receiving corps in NFL history. And he still got us to a winning season.

Smith has been a ****ing stud if you ask me.

Saccopoo 12-25-2015 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 11975171)
How many laughed when you read that Alex is a Franchise QB.

At this point?

Only the stupid ones.

O.city 12-25-2015 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 11975136)
Actually, Kelce isn't going to get there, IMO.

He needs to average 89 yards over the last two games. He hasn't averaged 89 yards over any two game span this year, and has only broken that mark in a single game once - opening weekend against Houston.

Luckily for him, both the next two teams they play are shit at covering TE's so he might get there.

Saul Good 12-25-2015 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11975012)
You are seriously overstating and over valuing most of these player losses.

I would like to have kept Albert if he could stay healthy, and Swartz at a reasonable contract.
But the fact is, they are all just jags, and the teams that gave them that money overpaid them, and for the most part are likely regretting the coin they dropped to sign them.

Right. Kudos to Dorsey for recognizing what those teams couldn't.

jjchieffan 12-25-2015 04:26 PM

I agree. Dorsey is doing a great job. I know that we all want wins in January and I fully believe that we will get there. If not this year, then soon. Right now, it's good to see this team winning consistently again
With one more win, Andy will pass Schottenheimer for most wins by a Chiefs coach in his first three seasons. That from a team that won only 2 games the season before he started. It wasn't like when Vermeil came in and took over a team loaded with talent and with a winning record the year before. He took a team picking first in the draft and built a winner overnight. Do you realize that the Buffalo Bills have missed the playoffs for 16 years in a row now?? That's not even one postseason appearance this century! We could be in that boat. But we're not. Kudos John Dorsey. Kudos.

RINGLEADER 12-25-2015 04:27 PM

I tripped at:

"run stopping extraordinaire Tyson Jackson"

I mean dude was OK his last season here but the Falcons went on to have a mediocre to poor D-Line the year he arrived there on a huge Pioli-soaked contract. Since his arrival he has 22 and 27 combined solo and assisted tackles, 0 sacks, and 2 plays stuffed.


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