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O.city 04-21-2016 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12189883)
Our first round pick.

On a position that we got perfectly credible play from Daniel !@#$ing Sorenson at.

Given your willingness to use first round picks on 3rd safeties and/or slot WRs, where can I comfortably draw the line as to how marginalized a position must be before you would not use a first round pick on it?

Placekicker?
Punter?
Long-Snapper?

Y'know what - perfect solution that would satisfy you and the "trade our first round pick for 15 6th rounders" crowd - Let's trade our first round pick, then trade back with that return, and back and back and back until we can completely re-build our practice squad.

Dick.
Look how much we use 3 safeties.

I'm thinking more deone buchannan. Sorensen is ass

staylor26 04-21-2016 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12189898)
Mackensie Alexander has the ball skills of William Bartee
That's bullshit. He clearly showed the ability to locate and make a play on the ball when given the opportunity. He just didn't have many and never came up with an interception, so his lack of ball skills is overblown.

O.city 04-21-2016 01:59 PM
A corners first objective is to keep the wr from making catches. Alexander is pretty good at that in straight routes.

The more I read on him I wonder how well he'd be chasing those guys that turn on a dime. He doesn't have Sean Smith's size to just swallow them

staylor26 04-21-2016 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12189872)
I'd have thought we'd have learned our lesson about trying to convert college safeties to CB years ago.

It don't work.
I gave two very recent examples that say otherwise.

I wouldn't do it with Bell, but Green has all the tools to be a great press man corner.

RunKC 04-21-2016 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12189933)
A corners first objective is to keep the wr from making catches. Alexander is pretty good at that in straight routes.

The more I read on him I wonder how well he'd be chasing those guys that turn on a dime. He doesn't have Sean Smith's size to just swallow them
Go watch his tape. He gives up the inside way too easy. He did it a lot vs NC

O.city 04-21-2016 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12189935)
I gave two very recent examples that say otherwise.

I wouldn't do it with Bell, but Green has all the tools to be a great press man corner.
And there's about 509 more that didnt.

I don't MI d trying but I'd prefer not too

O.city 04-21-2016 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12189940)
Go watch his tape. He gives up the inside way too easy. He did it a lot vs NC
Well, that could be alot of reasons other than just getting beat.

staylor26 04-21-2016 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12189946)
And there's about 509 more that didnt.

I don't MI d trying but I'd prefer not too
This is a different league now. It's happening a lot more often (both ways) with success.

O.city 04-21-2016 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12189952)
Don't bother going back because it was a different league then. Just give me a recent example.
How is it different in that aspect?

It's possible but those 2 success stories seem more outliers

RunKC 04-21-2016 02:12 PM
Not sure I like the idea of TJ Green. Like his size/strength/speed etc but he's played safety one year and barely played CB.

Like Vonn Bell more if we go that route. More experience, better cover skills, more production.

staylor26 04-21-2016 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12189954)
How is it different in that aspect?

It's possible but those 2 success stories seem more outliers
Because it's become a league about traits (and it's always been about trends).

You can take college safeties like Randle and Rowe with the elite measurables and traits to play corner and you let them run around and chase these athletes at the WR position. It isn't hard to coach a guy to play press man. That's why they were able to have success their rookie seasons despite the lack of experience.

For the record, I'm not saying we should do this, but this is the way it's being done right now, and I think it's a possibility we should consider Dorsey going with.

staylor26 04-21-2016 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12189957)
Not sure I like the idea of TJ Green. Like his size/strength/speed etc but he's played safety one year and barely played CB.

Like Vonn Bell more if we go that route. More experience, better cover skills, more production.
But yet you strongly prefer WJ3 and Apple over Alexander. Strange contradiction. :hmmm:

DaneMcCloud 04-21-2016 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12189913)
So probably a tick better than Sean Smith, then?
LMAO So true

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12189913)
I'd love a DB that goes lucking balls out of the air, but that's icing on the cake. Alexander has bad hands, but he does a great job of locating the ball and getting in the way of it.
I was neutral on Alexander until word began leaking that he was a bad interview.

Say what you want about "smokescreens", medical re-checks, etc. but character assassination is generally something teams avoid leaking, unless it's just unavoidable.

RunKC 04-21-2016 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12189985)
But yet you strongly prefer WJ3 and Apple over Alexander. Strange contradiction. :hmmm:
What I was pointing out is TJ Green is extremely raw and I don't want a project at 28. I think he's a Dee Ford type prospect that will take time wheras Bell is already experienced and ready.

And no I don't think it's a contradiction at all. Bell is 5'11 with arms that are longer with a much stronger body (16 bench reps). Plus he's not having reports of attitude or football IQ questions.

RunKC 04-21-2016 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12189894)
Darkhorse? Artie Burns. He's a little raw for a 1st rounder but some people are saying that he's just as talented as Apple.

The other issue the "Al Golden Effect", in which he seriously under-coached his players.
He's a good guess. I think he's a high 2nd rd prospect who could move into the first Rd. It wouldn't shock me since he's got a the physical matrix we like and our DB coaching staff is elite and proven.


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