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Meatloaf 08-28-2016 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12391141)
Derrick Johnson showed a lot of promise early on. What made people think he might be a bust was the odd 2009 season where he was relegated to the bench.

Derrick Johnson had more sacks than Dee Ford after two years despite being a coverage linebacker in a 4-3 and he had 5.5 times the number of tackles.

Yup, as I recall, that was Todd Haley putting his size 12s up DJs backside in efforts to demand more outa the kid. It worked like a charm as DJs numbers improved thereafter.

I'm generally of the mindset that someone needs to put their boot up Ford's ass too. He kinda comes off as this overly confident "stud" character, which to me indicates a clear lack of self-confidence. Hope the kid figures it out, but he just doesn't seem to have the mindset that'll encourage him to truly humble self and strive for improvement/excellence. BUT, we shall see.

DaneMcCloud 08-28-2016 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12391141)
Derrick Johnson showed a lot of promise early on. What made people think he might be a bust was the odd 2009 season where he was relegated to the bench.

Derrick Johnson had more sacks than Dee Ford after two years despite being a coverage linebacker in a 4-3 and he had 5.5 times the number of tackles.

I was just talking in generalities. Chiefsplanet declared DJ a bust before the 2010 season.

While I'm disappointed with Ford's progress, I think it's too early to label him as a "bust".

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-28-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12391169)
I was just talking in generalities. Chiefsplanet declared DJ a bust before the 2010 season.

While I'm disappointed with Ford's progress, I think it's too early to label him as a "bust".

That's fair. I've never thought much of Ford, and I don't think Paylor's feature paints a very rosy picture of his work ethic and potential, but two years is a little soon. Football players develop at extremely variable rates.

jspchief 08-28-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12391081)
Stupid.

Yes. He may be stupid too.

jspchief 08-28-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12391113)
Derrick Johnson was considered a "bust" after four seasons, too.

Only by dumb****s

RunKC 08-28-2016 11:38 AM

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What Ford was unable to show in that game — and in the Seahawks game — was much of a pass-rush. Reid attributed some of that to the Chiefs’ opponents’ getting the ball out quickly.
This is what I've been seeing. Dee has had very few opportunities to actually rush the passer so far bc it's been quick 3 step drops. The ball gets out in 2 seconds at the most.

No pss rusher will get to the QB that fast.

staylor26 08-28-2016 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12391189)
This is what I've been seeing. Dee has had very few opportunities to actually rush the passer so far bc it's been quick 3 step drops. The ball gets out in 2 seconds at the most.

No pss rusher will get to the QB that fast.

It's clear as day that he hasn't had many oppurtunities to pin his ears back.

His run defense since the Seahawks game has been much better.

I really don't see the reason why people are hitting the panic button based on his preseason. It's a HUGE overreaction.

DaneMcCloud 08-28-2016 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12391186)
Only by dumb****s

Welcome! To Chiefsplanet.

RunKC 08-28-2016 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12391192)
It's clear as day that he hasn't had many oppurtunities to pin his ears back.

His run defense since the Seahawks game has been much better.

I really don't see the reason why people are hitting the panic button based on his preseason. It's a HUGE overreaction.

Bc he looked horrible in the Seahawks game. He looked as lost as he did as a rookie in run defense.
To his credit, he's looked much better the last 2 weeks.

We'll see how he looks on 9/11.

DaneMcCloud 08-28-2016 11:44 AM

The biggest problem I have with Ford is that he doesn't have much of a "feel" for the game (much like Albert ****ing Wilson). Hopefully, that improves with each game.

Dadi Nicolas, a rookie 6th rounder who's 20 pounds lighter and is also a converted 4-3 end, already seems to "get it". His containment is better and his pass rushing skills are bad ass. He played well against the Bears first team offense yesterday.

RunKC 08-28-2016 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12391200)
The biggest problem I have with Ford is that he doesn't have much of a "feel" for the game (much like Albert ****ing Wilson). Hopefully, that improves with each game.

Dadi Nicolas, a rookie 6th rounder who's 20 pounds lighter and is also a converted 4-3 end, already seems to "get it". His containment is better and his pass rushing skills are bad ass. He played well against the Bears first team offense yesterday.

That kid reminds me so much of Tamba. Their mentality, effort and passion for the game are eerily similar.

Kid just needs an offseason in the weight room to bulk up so he can stop the run.

milkman 08-28-2016 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12391210)
That kid reminds me so much of Tamba. Their mentality, effort and passion for the game are eerily similar.

Kid just needs an offseason in the weight room to bulk up so he can stop the run.

Send Dadi to Chiefsshrink.
He'll have him bulked up by week 2.

jspchief 08-28-2016 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12391200)
The biggest problem I have with Ford is that he doesn't have much of a "feel" for the game (much like Albert ****ing Wilson). Hopefully, that improves with each game.

This is how I feel. He just looks like he's not a very good football player. He has no instincts. He looks like he's afraid of contact. The only thing the guy has shown is athleticism, and that's not going to be enough in the NFL.

The guy should be playing like his ass is on fire now that he finally has his chance. He's not.

DaneMcCloud 08-28-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12391221)
Send Dadi to Chiefsshrink.
He'll have him bulked up by week 2.

LMAO

TEX 08-28-2016 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12391222)
This is how I feel. He just looks like he's not a very good football player. He has no instincts. He looks like he's afraid of contact. The only thing the guy has shown is athleticism, and that's not going to be enough in the NFL.

The guy should be playing like his ass is on fire now that he finally has his chance. He's not.

Nailed it... It's like he can get there, but once there he doesn't know what to do. He allows himself to get caught up in the trash by just being there. Not very instinctive at all. I'd be happy if he can develop just into a consistent pass rusher.


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