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Pasta Little Brioni 08-31-2017 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13047371)
This is a great point. Show me another elite player in any sport that wouldn't get hammered by their union for taking way under market value.

Brady and the Pats get a pass for some reason. The Union just turns a blind eye.

He's still getting paid under the table, but yeah

Rausch 08-31-2017 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 13047370)
What about players like Tom Brady who is only making 14 million against the cap when he is the best qb in the league. Should they be forced to pay him more?

You had to bring up fair and pay.

Now ANTIFA will be protesting our week 1 game...:facepalm:

notorious 08-31-2017 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13047376)
He's still getting paid under the table, but yeah

Are they doing what Denver did?


"We will pay you 500k for the next two years. That will count against the cap, but after you retire and you will make around 15 million a year for 4 years as a consultant, which doesn't count against the cap!"

Discuss Thrower 08-31-2017 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13047366)
Let the team deal with it. It's their decision.


Imagine Indy with Manning, but he doesn't count against the cap. Imagine Denver, and he doesn't count against the cap.

That would allow them to acquire/keep 2 more elite players. Does that help league balance?


With Mahomes being a badass, a rule like this will help the Chiefs, but I still can't get behind it.

http://i.imgur.com/cvimAan.png

notorious 08-31-2017 10:43 AM

And you want to make it worse?

Discuss Thrower 08-31-2017 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13047393)
And you want to make it worse?

Well, you really don't have a chance without a QB as it stands now.

Either you find a way to give the teams that don't have a top 10 QB a better chance of succeeding against a team that does through some salary cap or draft shenanigans or you totally overhaul the rules concerning defending against QBs and receivers.

Rausch 08-31-2017 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13047400)
Either you find a way to give the teams that don't have a top 10 QB a better chance of succeeding against a team that does through some salary cap or draft shenanigans or you totally overhaul the rules concerning defending against QBs and receivers.

This makes no sense.

THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE.

Allowing a team to nerf a salary means the QB-great teams will only further strangle the rest of the league...

scho63 08-31-2017 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 13047315)
Somebody is going to pay Alex 20 million a year-hopefully it won't be the Chiefs.

Clark Hunt might be stupid but at least he's even cheaper so he won't do something that stupid! :clap:

CHEAP > STUPID

notorious 08-31-2017 10:50 AM

The NFL discovered years ago that people love superpower teams, but they also have the illusion of "balance" and "hope" for the have-nots.

They have it set up nearly perfectly right now. Mega ratings due to record offense.

I can see the NFL actually making the QB cap rule. It would allow the superpower teams to become even stronger, thus catapulting ratings and money.

Kaepernick 08-31-2017 10:51 AM

It is only temporary. Market forces always achieve equilibrium if you just leave them alone. If the NFL is stupid, they will raise the cap to allow for QB overpay. If they are smart, they will not drastically raise the cap. GMs will realize not tooverpay their QBs. Oh some will, but they will find it impossible to keep a team around him and wont win super bowls.

Here is to hoping the NFL owners are not that stupid.

Discuss Thrower 08-31-2017 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 13047408)
THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE.

Brady
Manning
Brady
Manning
Flacco
Brady
Roethlisberger
Manning
Roethlisberger
Brady
Manning
Roethlisberger
Brady
Brady


Those have been the AFC QBs in the Super Bowl since I started high school a decade ago.

You have no problem with this?

Rausch 08-31-2017 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 13047415)
It is only temporary. Market forces always achieve equilibrium if you just leave them alone.

Exactly.

Believe it or not the NFL is a better balance of right/left (communism/free market) than our government is.

The NFL should not shift more towards modern politics - if anything, modern politics should shift more towards the NFL...

Rausch 08-31-2017 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13047418)
Brady
Manning
Brady
Manning
Flacco
Brady
Roethlisberger
Manning
Roethlisberger
Brady
Manning
Roethlisberger
Brady
Brady


Those have been the AFC QBs in the Super Bowl since I started high school a decade ago.

You have no problem with this?

My only problem is that we didn't have intelligent staff in place to draft any of them...

wazu 08-31-2017 10:57 AM

A good reason to start your rookie QB and make a run while on their rookie contract. And to ditch your overpaid veteran who gives you 15 TDs in a season.

ScareCrowe 08-31-2017 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13047400)
Well, you really don't have a chance without a QB as it stands now.

Either you find a way to give the teams that don't have a top 10 QB a better chance of succeeding against a team that does through some salary cap or draft shenanigans or you totally overhaul the rules concerning defending against QBs and receivers.

I'm not sure I get the point you're trying to make, that's the way the system already works. Changing it to the proposed system would give the elite QB team a bigger advantage.

Look at it this way if a team has a top QB and is paying him $25 million per season, and another team has "just a guy" at QB and is paying him $12 million per season. That team has 13 million extra dollars to improve other areas of their roster. Under the proposed system both teams would have the same cap amount plus one team has a way better QB.

Also why do we need to make a QB pay scale if we aren't counting them against the cap anyway?


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